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This will be Microsofts biggest ever flop, far bigger than Vista.

  1. #951


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    Windows 8 pro Retail


    Night Hawk said:
    do you recommend 8 to the novice user who now needs to move up from XP or even Vista into a newer version?
    Tell me about it. I been showing the RP to people and they LOOK scared of it. As I told them, they will need to re-learn how to use Windows ALL over again.

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  2. #952


    Adelaide
    Posts : 1,338
    Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 (64 bit), Linux Mint 17.1 MATE (64 bit)


    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post

    I still meet people who don't know about:

    • "Ctrl + A" (Select All)
    • "Ctrl + C" (Copy)
    • "Ctrl + X" (Cut)
    • "Ctrl + V" (Paste)
    • "Ctrl + Y" (Redo)
    • "Ctrl + Z" (Undo)
    These are the ones that I use;

    • "Ctrl + A" (Select All)
    • "Ctrl + C" (Copy)
    • "Ctrl + X" (Cut)
    • "Ctrl + V" (Paste)
    • "Ctrl + Z" (Undo)
    • "WIN + E" (Explorer)
    • "WIN + R" (Run)
    • "ALT -F4" (Close Window)
    I constantly use the ones I listed.

    I also often use:

    • "WIN + Pause/Break" (System Properties)
    • "WIN + Arrows" (Window Snap)
    • "Shift + End/Home" (Selecting)


    I only use "WIN + E" (Explorer) in XP.

    In Windows 7, I use the pinned Windows Explorer icon + Jump List.

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  3. #953


    DeLand, FL
    Posts : 380
    Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit


    Quote Originally Posted by FSeal View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Tully View Post
    A simple keyboard shortcut (Win+C) brings up the "Charms Bar". What is all the "FUSS" about!

    Tully
    Because it's 100% unintuitive (like 90% of the Metro UI).

    99.9999999% of the users will NEVER know that works. They will just be completely stymied by the missing functionality or annoyed by the rightfully annoying "magic" hot corners.

    To this day, YEARS after it was implemented, ANYONE that sees me press Win+E to bring up explorer /invariably/ says "How did you do that?"

    Shortcut keys are ok for the pros but completely useless to everyone else. It's a BAD USER PARADIGM to be considered the primary way of getting to it. Hot corners are pretty much just as bad. All that stuff used to be on the much more intuitive and easy to find and use start menu.

    Start menu traded away for hidden, hard to find, hard to use menu == not an improvement in any way.
    When I watch my wife use her Windows machine I try to envision what she would do if I rebuilt her box with Win8. As soon as she would see Metro, she'd wonder what the heck she was going to do and go nuts trying to remember the places you have to hover the mouse to bring up hidden "charms" bars and action menus.

    There may be some people that think breaking the desktop paradigm into two separate GUI presentations is a good idea but as a 35-year software development veteran I am not one of them.

    -Max
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  4. #954


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    1st W10 Professional x64/W7 Ultimate x64 - 2nd Remote system: W10 Insider Builds/W7 Professional


    I can second the notion on that! For the novice "geek" just starting they wouldn't be accustomed to much of anything and simply say "Hey this is the new stuff!" while the long time Windows user simply frowns and asks 'Why did MS trash the OS?".

    No one has any doubts that 8 will be one for the books! If the retail comes out looking the same without options for standard items to some extend a good majority are likely to shun it. The Preview being the intentional rename from beta or RC however could very suggest a "preview" while not revealing the full story as far as what the RTMs will look like. But you can get a good idea of where MS is headed with 8.
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  5. #955


    Adelaide
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    Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 (64 bit), Linux Mint 17.1 MATE (64 bit)

    Windows 8 Keyboard Shortcuts


    Here's a list of keyboard shortcuts provided by A Guy.

    Windows 8 Keyboard Shortcuts
    https://www.eightforums.com/general-d...shortcuts.html
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  6. #956


    Tropical Island Pair a Dice
    Posts : 3,030
    Windows 8.1 Pro x64/ Windows 7 Ult x64


    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Lonewolf View Post
    Night Hawk said:
    do you recommend 8 to the novice user who now needs to move up from XP or even Vista into a newer version?
    Tell me about it. I been showing the RP to people and they LOOK scared of it. As I told them, they will need to re-learn how to use Windows ALL over again.
    On the flip side, I have given a 1 minute brief instruction, told them it's just like Win7 but with a start screen instead of start menu.
    They are off and running with no issues.

    These are consumption users, in the large general user category.

    In statistics, surveys can be skewed by the wording of the question and presentation.
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  7. #957


    Posts : 993
    Windows 8 pro Retail


    I agree there Dave, BUT my demo took place at a Walmarts's computer department, where the average age of the group was 45 - 50 years old. The earliest O/S they had used was Windows 98. (consensus), and not a single one cared/liked Metro. Even a large section of that group said they will not buy Windows 8. I had gotten the feeling from them Windows 7 will be the next XP.
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  8. #958


    Posts : 248
    Windows 8 RTM (Retinas taking damage...)


    Quote Originally Posted by Dave76 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Lonewolf View Post
    Night Hawk said:
    do you recommend 8 to the novice user who now needs to move up from XP or even Vista into a newer version?
    Tell me about it. I been showing the RP to people and they LOOK scared of it. As I told them, they will need to re-learn how to use Windows ALL over again.
    On the flip side, I have given a 1 minute brief instruction, told them it's just like Win7 but with a start screen instead of start menu.
    They are off and running with no issues.

    These are consumption users, in the large general user category.

    In statistics, surveys can be skewed by the wording of the question and presentation.
    True. The new start menu is not THAT different from the old one, and as long as you ignore all of that preinstalled metro crap, it's only a very small change form windows 7.
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  9. #959


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    The first thing I did here was simply remove any and alll Metro apps looking at it as OEM Bloatwares!

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    The thing I hate is how programs install items there you don't want taking up space and not creating desktop shortcut you can pin or drag into an addon toolbar.

    As far as the reactions upon initial sight of 8 the ballot has been cast already! Most will automatically reject the changes to start with regardless of whatever better stuff MS put into it. This is why will likely see the "Geek's OS" labeling on it since only the more advanced will even prefer to run it. New systems sold with 8 will likely be sent back asking for Vista or 7 if not XP like Dell offers the choice of OS on their brand there.

    I waited for Vista and later waited for 7 to be launched but for 8 I "can wait"! But I still have the bad feeling and I don't like bad feelings about things! Someone should have screens shortly however since the RTM milestone has been reached for what the finished 8 looks like.
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  10. #960


    Posts : 248
    Windows 8 RTM (Retinas taking damage...)


    Quote Originally Posted by Night Hawk View Post
    The first thing I did here was simply remove any and alll Metro apps looking at it as OEM Bloatwares!

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    The thing I hate is how programs install items there you don't want taking up space and not creating desktop shortcut you can pin or drag into an addon toolbar.
    It's the start menu. When you install new programs, they add themselves to the start menu. It's worked this way since windows 95. Also, it's the choice of the developer whether or not to add an icon to the desktop. Stuff like steam and firefox still does, bot a lot of other devs choose not to.
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This will be Microsofts biggest ever flop, far bigger than Vista.
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