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This will be Microsofts biggest ever flop, far bigger than Vista.

  1. #831


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    You’ll Hate Windows 8

    ....your first impression will inspire head-pounding frustration. Some of your complaints about the new OS will be unfounded, the function of a knee-jerk emotional response that you’ll later reconsider. But a few of your annoyances will be right on target.

    ...In my time with Windows 8, I’ve felt almost totally at sea—confused, paralyzed, angry, and ultimately resigned to the pain of having to alter the way I do most of my work.

    ...But I wonder if Microsoft knows that masses of Windows users are going to revolt against this new interface. If Microsoft wants to preserve and extend its OS hegemony, it’s going to have to hold their hands through the changes, perhaps with more on-screen prompting and a large media campaign. But even that may not be enough. People adapt to change—except when they don’t.

    Full article at:
    Windows 8: Microsoft’s radical operating system redesign will aggravate you to no end. - Slate Magazine

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  2. #832


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    Quote Originally Posted by cluberti View Post
    To play devil's advocate, they (Microsoft) have been providing you the same basic UI and experience with Windows for 17 years, and they've decided to change that (for the most part, entirely), including the programming interfaces, etc.

    The people complaining don't appear to have positions that would have supported them coming along in any case, and Windows 7 and Server 2008 R2 will be supported until at least 2019 (7 more years). At that point, you should have had enough time to either determine if Windows 8 (or even Windows "9", whatever that becomes) is something you want to use, or if you should find alternatives.

    Yes, it's sort of like old friends parting, but people and friendships change and pretending like everything will continue to be the same as it has always been is just not a reality in almost anything. In keeping with the friendship analogy, Microsoft has apparently changed enough that they want to move on from an interface that you're familiar with to one that's not as familiar, and you have to decide if you still want to "be friends" and go along with them or part ways. You've got time, so it's probably best you use it to think about that.
    I like that explanation.
    It sums up what I think MS is doing, like it or not they are making a decision that they think is due, time will tell if it is relevant.
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  3. #833


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    7/8/ubuntu/Linux Deepin


    There is some truth in the observation you quoted.

    Interestingly, Mike ( former head of MAC platform ) had a similar take:

    But when a platform makes a major transition, people are forced to stop and reconsider their purchase. They're going to have to learn something new anyway, so for a brief moment they are open to possibly switching to something else. The more relearning people have to do, the more willing they are to switch. Rapid changes in OS and app market share usually happen during transitions like this.
    MS feel they can get away with it because they have virtually no competition - except for a few geeks who might switch to linux - and those in the high end market who might choose mac ( which they probably would have chosen anyway ), the rest of the market has no competition.

    It might change. There is a big opportunity for someone else to step in and take share away from MS.
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  4. #834


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    1st W10 Professional x64/W7 Ultimate x64 - 2nd Remote system: W10 Insider Builds/W7 Professional


    One thing I found with 8 is how to arrive at the desktop rather then always having the need to click the desktop button once 8 is finished loading up. Once you are past the initial installation logging in with a Live id and new lock screen opened you go into the User Accounts and set up a new local account!

    After a few restarts the Start screen will only display for so many seconds before that closes leaving you at the desktop once most of the start ups have loaded fully. I came across that when using the Refresh PC option when the RP suddenly kept freezing up. That was a pleasaant surprise to see for a change!
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  5. #835


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    7/8/ubuntu/Linux Deepin


    Thanks NH - I think we all knew that already.

    Have you found a way of avoiding the start screen totally - not even those first few seconds when using a local account?
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  6. #836


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    The actual display was almost non existant for a change! So far I haven't found the precise registy entry needed in order to change the value on it from 1 to 0 that would be necessary. I'll be taking a better look some time however once I get the rest of the repair seen to.

    Since I still have some of the programs left to install I had to reboot back into 7 for the time being. I'm sure there'll a method sooner or later found to deal with it however! We're now starting to see some progress at least!

    A few things so far have been located in the registry regarding the Start screen. One was found in the "HKey_Local_Machine>Software>microsoft>Windows NT>WinLogin section for secondary tiles. The other reference is for "StartMenu_Start Time. That was found in the "HKey_Current_User>Software>microsoft>Windows>CurrentVersion>Explorer>StartPage".

    The only other was "Windows.UI." with several keys but no Metro or Start found. The thing to find would be the startup process for the Start screen from the Windows\System\ or Windows\System32 unless you can find the specific sservice it uses and switch that to stop.
    Last edited by Night Hawk; 12 Jun 2012 at 05:27. Reason: Additiona information
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  7. #837


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    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    There is some truth in the observation you quoted.

    Interestingly, Mike ( former head of MAC platform ) had a similar take:

    But when a platform makes a major transition, people are forced to stop and reconsider their purchase. They're going to have to learn something new anyway, so for a brief moment they are open to possibly switching to something else. The more relearning people have to do, the more willing they are to switch. Rapid changes in OS and app market share usually happen during transitions like this.
    MS feel they can get away with it because they have virtually no competition - except for a few geeks who might switch to linux - and those in the high end market who might choose mac ( which they probably would have chosen anyway ), the rest of the market has no competition.

    It might change. There is a big opportunity for someone else to step in and take share away from MS.
    The Android OS is starting to show up on some laptops. If Microsoft keeps thumbing it's nose at the users many people might consider this as a viable alternative.
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  8. #838


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    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    Thanks NH - I think we all knew that already.

    Have you found a way of avoiding the start screen totally - not even those first few seconds when using a local account?
    Why should users have to do this? On a PC Microsoft should allow users to have a choice of interfaces, not force feed them something they really don't like.
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  9. #839


    Posts : 454
    Windows 8.1 Pro with Media Center


    Quote Originally Posted by PaulGo View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    Thanks NH - I think we all knew that already.

    Have you found a way of avoiding the start screen totally - not even those first few seconds when using a local account?
    Why should users have to do this? On a PC Microsoft should allow users to have a choice of interfaces, not force feed them something they really don't like.
    Indeed. If I understand correctly, and the Metro Start Screen shows for some number of seconds but only when using a local account, that's bizarre behavior. It's like a Fizbin rule.
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    When you first power up the Start screen will be all you see! Later when going to restart for something like installing an update or booting back and forth it only display for so many seconds. One day at turning the system on and coming back I found 8 at the desktop and the restart later still only saw the Start up for those few seconds.

    While not using a local account and signing into a Windows Live account you end up with the lock screen being the first item. Then you have the account login screen to tend with. And then finally you see the Start screen!

    One step after another! This is why setting up a local account ASAP will be a help rather then extra steps for each session! Puting it bluntly some of the updated security puts the user "through the grill"! For portable units when on the go you want something like this there but not really so much when you are sitting at your desktop at home!

    As for finding a way to disable the Start screen by itself it seems to be tied into both explorer, the desktop manager, and main OS shell involving multiple processes. The options to add or uninstall as well as simply removing items from the screen itself indicates several registry entries rather then one simply "switch 1 to 0" with a right click to modify one item found in the reg there. You would likely need to stall a main background service as part of the method for putting it out of commision.
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This will be Microsofts biggest ever flop, far bigger than Vista.
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