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This will be Microsofts biggest ever flop, far bigger than Vista.

  1. #801


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    I tried the release preview and although it is a bit cleaned up, I still dislike Windows 8. I tried it for several hours but the interface on a PC is just something I do not enjoy. My son has a Mac and I can easily go and use his computer without any problems although I regularly use Windows 7, but every time I uses Windows 8 I just don't feel comfortable. This is one OS that I will skip. The only other Windows that I did not purchase was Windows ME.

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  2. #802


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    Is this still the largest non-sticky thread on this site?

    Egads, MS.
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  3. #803


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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel Travis View Post
    Is this still the largest non-sticky thread on this site?

    Egads, MS.
    The absolutely STUPID thing about the main issues is that all the have to simply do is give the customers a choice. It would clear up 99% of the general complaints, yet they REFUSE. This is bad business when you absolutely do NOT listen to the wishes ( completely reasonable ones at that) of the consumer. It tends to put companies out of business in short order.
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  4. #804


    Rotterdam, The Netherlands
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    You are correct. Why Microsoft's new ideology of 'one size fits all' is being rammed down our throats deep throat style is astonishing. It is patently obvious that Windows 8 is a tablet operating system and not a desktop one. Apple are clever enough to make the distinction between tablet and desktop with OS X Lion and iOS 5. This big brother approach with Windows 8 is going to cost Microsoft very dearly I'm afraid.
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  5. #805


    Legacy, I share your bewilderment. It is so simple to include the Start Button and an option to bypass the Metro Interface that I cannot understand Microsoft's thinking.
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  6. #806


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    Probably because Microsoft is a software company, and expects most folks (consumer-level) to get Windows 8 with a new PC or laptop or tablet, which will be Windows 8 ready (multi-touchpad, touch device, all-in-one, etc). Windows 8 is indeed designed more with touch in mind, but the expectation is that most (not all, but most) people who end up with it long-term will have touch devices (whether that be a touch screen or a touch pad designed for it, etc).

    It's amazing the hate I hear about how Windows 8 doesn't work well in a traditional keyboard/mouse environment, but it does work well with touch. No sh*t! - laptops have outsold desktops since ~2008, and tablets (iPads, mostly) have outsold most OEM's PC sales for the last 2 years. Microsoft is a software company, and the OEMs (and Microsoft too, I'd wager) want to get in on that market, including small mobile devices like phones up to the tablet and laptop devices.

    I don't plan on running Windows 8 on my old PC either, but I do run it on a tablet and it really is better than Windows 7 on the device. I don't think PCs will go away, just like the mainframe didn't go away after the explosion of the PC, but the desktop PC has a bulls-eye on it, and it isn't even Microsoft's doing - consumers have voted with their wallets, and they want laptops and tablets far more than they want (or need) desktop PCs. What do you think Microsoft is going to do? Stick around and miss out on that? No, they'd be foolish not to make software for the devices consumers are buying (and their shareholders would crucify them for being as stubborn as some of us are too).

    Whether we like it or not, desktop users are going to be the past, and we either get used to that and move to more modern touch devices in the future, or we switch away from Microsoft to something like Linux or BSD - not Apple, as they've been down the laptop/tablet/phone road for awhile now, and if they kill the Mac Pro, there'll be no turning back there either.
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  7. #807


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    I am afraid the real reason is MS don't want to give the consumer that choice.

    They could do it - but they won't.

    It is simple - give people a choice and many will not use Metro and will not be drawn into the MS clouds.

    Don't give them a choice, and the average user will be easily led to where MS wants them.

    That is it in a nutshell.
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  8. #808


    I can't imagine a company spending the time and effort to train people to use Windows8, so suspect that Microsoft is smart enough to know that as well. So the needed steps to success includes getting as many people to "learn Win8" on their own as possible and at some point in time they will use thier self gained knowledge to get their employers to implement Windows 8.

    By the time that happens the guinea herd will be well down the path of doing the same thing with Windows 10.
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  9. #809


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    Note this is how previous versions of Windows originally found their way into the desktop, and ultimately to the server backend. Microsoft isn't naive here, and it's not their first time pushing in "from the consumer". I don't think it'll fail either, as writing metro-style apps is actually not that hard at all and does give some cost savings to developers. Again, how long it takes to catch on is one thing, but it *will* catch on - Microsoft is forcing that, and it makes business sense (and system stability and platform compatibility across phone, PC/device, and xbox as well). This is business, pure and simple, and this is where the money is going to be. As a for-profit public company, it's not surprising they're starting in earnest down the path.
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  10. #810


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    Quote Originally Posted by cluberti View Post
    Whether we like it or not, desktop users are going to be the past, and we either get used to that and move to more modern touch devices in the future, or we switch away from Microsoft to something like Linux or BSD - not Apple, as they've been down the laptop/tablet/phone road for awhile now, and if they kill the Mac Pro, there'll be no turning back there either.

    Whether you like it or not, there will be 2 billion PCs in use around the world in a few years. The rate of PCs sold is going down but the total use is not. It's the exact opposite. So you can have your own future as much as you want, but until 1/3rd of the entire planet joins you, you'll have to grasp that:

    1.) Not everyone wants to do all their work on a device.
    2.) Not everyone can do their work on a device. You can watch Avatar on a phone but you can't make Avatar on a phone. You can look up the weather forecast on a tablet but you can't program weather forecasting models on a tablet. You can't even do that with a desktop. You need a supercomputer.

    I've got my smartphone, I've got my tablet and I've got my laptop and I've got my desktop. They all serve a unique function. Just because you don't know what that function is, or care to use it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. The desktop is an incredibly powerful instrument. It's not the only instrument but if you think it's going the way of the mainframe any time soon you're nuts. There are too many people using them right now for too many things. Mainframes were expensive, huge and rare. PCs are cheap, small and all over the place. So when a significant chunk of Windows PC users say they're not a fan of 8, to just essentially blow them off like you and others have is not the best way to look at this. You are looking too far down the road. MS is doing the exact same thing and I don't think it's a smart business strategy for a company so heavily invested in the PC side of computing. Yes, the future is not the desktop. But the present is. So will next year and the year after that. I don't know when it will not be like that, but I can assure you that by the time we are there, all these tablets as we know them now will be looked at with the same kind of ridicule heaped on desktops - probably worse because things are evolving so much faster and splintering into new directions than the old straight line Mainframe------->PC.
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This will be Microsofts biggest ever flop, far bigger than Vista.
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