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This will be Microsofts biggest ever flop, far bigger than Vista.

  1. #751


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    Windows 8 Pro/Windows 8 Pro/Windows 7 64 Bit64Bit/Windows XP


    "It is hard to see it as more than W7 sp2 with a reskin" Yes, okay, hmmmm.

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  2. #752


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    Windows 8 pro Retail


    Think about it Bill, ISN'T really every Windows version since Windows 95 been just a re-skin, with a couple of goodies tossed in to entice the end-users? So in actuality this is really Windows 95Q, with sp24.
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  3. #753


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    Windows 8 Pro/Windows 8 Pro/Windows 7 64 Bit64Bit/Windows XP


    I suppose you could be right, they must just hire all those programmers for show. Anyway, I hope people can come to grips with Windows95Q or we'll all be using Macs in the future.
    My own personal opinion is that this will be a hit on tablets and eventually people will take to it on PC's.
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  4. #754


    When I switched from Windows 3.11 to Windows 95, there was a big learning curve. But I enjoyed learning, and I'm glad I'm not still using Win 3.11 (which, incidentally, was a good system for its time). Windows 8 is one more improvement, with one more learning curve, and I can handle it.
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  5. #755


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    Windows 8.1 Pro x64/ Windows 7 Ult x64


    Have to agree, it will be great on tablets and will get on PC's.
    I'm having a hard time figuring out what's so hard about learning/using Windows 8. If it was the same as the last OS then why would anyone buy it.
    Every new version has differences from the previous version, under the hood and in the GUI.

    I enjoy the changes and learning something new.
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  6. #756


    Posts : 93
    W2K8S R2 STD, W7 ULTIMATE X64


    Hi,

    Quote Originally Posted by Vince53 View Post
    When I switched from Windows 3.11 to Windows 95, there was a big learning curve. But I enjoyed learning, and I'm glad I'm not still using Win 3.11 (which, incidentally, was a good system for its time). Windows 8 is one more improvement, with one more learning curve, and I can handle it.
    I fail to see the analogy. Going from W3.x to W95 was a big step forward.
    Going from W7 to W8 seems like some sort of sidestep to me.

    Cheers,
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  7. #757


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    W2K8S R2 STD, W7 ULTIMATE X64


    Hi,

    Quote Originally Posted by DooRules View Post
    It's more embarassing for MS if you ask me.

    Besides, W8 plain and simple does not bring enough to the table. It is hard to see it as more than W7 sp2 with a reskin.

    The abysmal sales will I believe bear this out.
    That was the message indeed.


    Cheers,
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  8. #758


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    7/8/ubuntu/Linux Deepin


    @Bill,

    I can't believe how anyone who has used Windows for a while can't figure this out.
    It is not about figuring it out.

    Yes , it takes a bit of time and effort to do that.

    Once you have figured it out - it is still awkward and unwelcoming for mouse and keyboard users.

    It is not just about that either.

    It is because people do not like being pushed around.

    Using the start menu as an obvious example - it has been deliberately removed - MS know that users of the previous build ( WDP ) were able to use the desktop and start menu - thereby avoiding Metro almost entirely.

    It was clear that is what the users wanted.

    MS have deliberately tried to prevent it happening.

    Why?

    Because they want to keep forcing Metro at you - they want you to into the MS clouds and it is not subtle .

    ( Geeky types will find still find ways of ameliorating those annoyances somewhat - but Joe Public will be completely unaware of it.)

    Those who can see what is going on do not welcome those kind of tactics.


    This is all part of a carefully orchestrated strategy.

    You will recall the attempt to prevent other o/s being installed in the draft oem agreement.

    You can see the push to get the unsuspecting into the MS clouds via the removal of choice and the metro UI.

    Now there are allegations of an attempt to restrict browser competition on ARM machines.

    You will have noticed the reduction of free skydrive storage - why do you think that is ?

    I expect we will see more same kind of tactics.

    It will be interesting to see how much they can get away with.
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  9. #759


    I just hope they have improved it since the preview. At first I thought they would know how to deal with the tablet market seeing how they are the last ones entering even though Microsoft was the first to actually see a future with tablets or so everyone keeps saying. However upon using it, it just feels clunky with the metro tiles. I am not opposed to change but I don't think this is the solution that would have been in everyone's favor. I don't mind that they removed the start button to be honest but how the solution they set up just makes the system harder to use and not easier. Especially when hearing that to replace the hidden menu people are pinning tiles onto the start screen to get to the menu that should be easily accessible since it's system tools and system stuff. The metro start screen is busy and clunky and basically the tiles are oversized square icons that are flat and on take up screen space but not only that because of the other apps/programs being pinned we take even longer to get to the same stuff that would have been there when we opened window 7. I just hope they understand the design aspect. It doesn't really look great and is too cramped with blocks. I see they are trying to attempt a smooth interface but it just seems half-baked at this point. On the desktop side it seems even worse as the start button's "solution" is not a good replacement. Their metro theme is half used and mixed with an awful ribbon. I get they are trying to make things more user friendly but in fact the ribbon does the exact opposite takes up space and is a mess.

    I just hope they fix all this or really rethink their design and user-interface for the next version because with all this time the system still looks like two completely different interfaces.
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  10. #760


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    8250 x86 + 7 SP1 x86 + Ubuntu 12.04 LTS x86


    I like the ribbon. Two things that I use it for that are quicker for me on a regular mouse/keyboard interface are to create new folders and delete files/folders. One click at top, instead of right click in open area (or on highlighted items) then left click to precisely point then choose.
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This will be Microsofts biggest ever flop, far bigger than Vista.
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