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    Quote Originally Posted by crawfish View Post
    . I described several ways in which my approach is objectively better, and I also addressed a possible criticism of it, the sacrifice of vertical space. .
    I will never use something like your triple row taskbar icons, for me vertical space is a premium, I don't use any monitors with less than 1200 lines ( 1920x1200) ( 2650x1600) because my vertical space are crucial in the work I do. In the taskbar I place no more than 8 icons, because I need the taskbar for the task, so I can switch from one window to the other. I prefer put everything in my start menu, after all I don’t change programs every 30 seconds. In my taskbar, I have only IE, Word, Excel, Visio, Photoshop and VMware Work Station. I use a lot Visio for make network diagram.

    To get back to the topic, I can live with the Metro Start Page, but I want an icon to switch betwen the Desktop and the Start Page, I want also an Icon to close the Metro apps and 2 icons to do like the "windows + c" and "windows + i" that open the right side bar. The way to click the bottom side of the monitor is too incovenient especially on multi monitors like mines. Please don't tell me I can use the Windows key form switch betwenthe desktop and the start page, I know, but sometime I don,t want to use the keyboard.

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  2. #702


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    Windows 8.1 Pro with Media Center


    Quote Originally Posted by Vince53 View Post
    Here's an earth-shattering thought:

    What if you used both Metro and the desktop, switching back and forth as you see fit?
    That would be fine, but it appears Microsoft intends the "Metro" thing to be front and center, and they're betting the company on it. Time will tell if they are successful at it, but this first iteration is typical of their first iterations of most products - it's just not very good. It's a colossal mode, it relies on many hidden, poorly discoverable hotspots (and I hate hotpots), it's described by the goofiest terminology I've ever heard ("charms bar" indeed), it solves no problems anyone is having, "Metro" thing apps are divorced from the truly great Windows 7 taskbar, etc. And while they're focusing so much of their energy on it, other things will suffer. Perhaps the saddest thing is that they're doing all this as a reaction to losing the tablet and phone markets, not because it's a solid idea for non-tablet PCs. The end result to date of implementing their latest high concept, bet-the-company idea is a weirdly fractured PC UI, with usage patterns that are natural to touchscreen devices transferring very poorly to non-touch PCs, which is basically all of them.
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  3. #703


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    Windows 7 x64 Ultimate/Windows 8.1/Linux


    Quote Originally Posted by thatmanbrian View Post
    I finally got it - you're talking about pure Start screen apps such as Maps which open to full screen only (hiding the task bar as well of course) so you can't have more than one open yes?
    Metro is inherently single instance, however, there is limited Multitasking

    So don't use Metro Apps. However for all ordinary programmes, from the Start screen I can open as many Firefoxs or Chromes as I like - they open on the desktop of course because the desktop is still the core of Win 8.
    I would have thought not using Metro applications, defeats the object.

    I think we all should make it clear when talking about Apps if we mean desktop shortcuts we place on the Start screen or Metro Apps. They are different and behave differently. It also seems odd to refer to Metro as an interface. On a desktop PC Metro is just a bolt-on that sits over the desktop. The desktop is always there. Also, once opened, a Metro app is always open, there is no mechanism for the user to close it even when not visible.
    Metro is an Interface. In Microsoft's own words "You get a beautiful, fast and fluid, Metro style interface and a huge variety of new apps to use.[/quote] Really, you only have to think about Merto from the perspective of a smartphone. As far as closing Metro applications, try Alt+f4 or select the Metro application by moving the mouse to the left of the screen, highlight the application, right click and select close. You can also use a mouse gesture and of course Task manager, too
    Last edited by Calico; 26 Mar 2012 at 20:26.
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  4. #704


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    Quote Originally Posted by area 66 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by crawfish View Post
    . I described several ways in which my approach is objectively better, and I also addressed a possible criticism of it, the sacrifice of vertical space. .
    I will never use something like your triple row taskbar icons, for me vertical space is a premium
    First, I'm not trying to get anyone to use a particular number of rows. I'm trying to encourage making good use of the taskbar, which as I've said earlier, can be done with only one row.

    Second, like I wrote in earlier messages, I was saying exactly the same thing about placing a premium on vertical space before I started experimenting with the Windows 7 taskbar. Eventually, I realized I had to use two rows to replace my long-time (and long in the tooth) program organizer/launcher, jetToolbar, and it turned out that was fine. With even more hesitation, I tried three rows because of a dead pixel or piece of fluff behind the glass, and it turned out that was ideal. The screen defect proved to be transient, but I still haven't gone back to the shorter taskbar. Three rows works great for me. Like I said, I still get something like 45 lines of text in Visual Studio text windows on my 1680x1050 monitor, and that's enough for me. It's not an issue anywhere else, and even if it is, many programs provide full-screen modes. So this was a great trade-off for me, and it's a good illustration of how things that I would never think about doing in a million years sometimes are not only tolerable, they're actually what I should be doing. As a general UI principle, unless reducing the area available to a window causes the window to go from not having scrollbars to having them, it's often acceptable to make trade-offs with size. For me, the difference between seeing 45 lines at a time in a source file and 50 lines just isn't that great. YMMV, but see above for an explanation of why mine didn't, even though I certainly thought it would.

    In the taskbar I place no more than 8 icons, because I need the taskbar for the task, so I can switch from one window to the other. I prefer put everything in my start menu, after all I don’t change programs every 30 seconds. In my taskbar, I have only IE, Word, Excel, Visio, Photoshop and VMware Work Station. I use a lot Visio for make network diagram.
    I don't get what you're saying about the small number of icons allowing you to switch windows; that doesn't change irrespective of the number of icons you pin. (Of course, I'm assuming you're making the taskbar large enough to eliminate scrolling.) As for the programs you do pin to it, it sounds like you pretty much stay in a handful of programs all the time, so you have no reason to use more than one row. Again, I'm not trying to get anyone to use a particular number of rows. I'm trying to encourage making full use of the taskbar, which means pinning programs and leaving the Quick Launch bar disabled. If you don't want to pin a ton of icons but you do find yourself frequently and laboriously hunting through the Start Menu, I would suggest creating several folders to hold shortcuts, and you can pin them or just their parent to a toolbar in the taskbar. That can be a lot easier than using the Start Menu, and it's one of the things I talked about earlier; in particular, Explorer windows don't disappear when you launch a program, and you can use the breadcrumb bar to switch between sibling folders sort of like using tabs. If you don't want to pin even the parent folder, you could always use Autohotkey to bind a key combination to open it, which is yet another way to save screen real estate.


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    Kat, I'm glad you're here and I enjoy your posts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crawfish View Post
    I tried three rows because of a dead pixel or piece of fluff behind the glass, and it turned out that was ideal.
    Most of us here don't have dead pixels on the screen to need to customize around. Glad you found something that works well for you.
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  7. #707


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    Quote Originally Posted by GMan View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by crawfish View Post
    I tried three rows because of a dead pixel or piece of fluff behind the glass, and it turned out that was ideal.
    Most of us here don't have dead pixels on the screen to need to customize around. Glad you found something that works well for you.
    What a fascinating comment. Like a laser beam, you singled out the truly essential part of my message and added so much to the discussion. Good for you.
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  8. #708


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    Eh?


    Quote Originally Posted by Kari View Post
    You are right, geeks.

    Let's hope nothing changes in Windows 8 compared to 7. Let's also hope technological evolution has ended, that the processors, RAM, GPUs, NICs, software, OS and so on do never change. No changes in software, no changes in hardware. Let us keep what is and never change it.
    I haven't seen anyone say, the reduced RAM usage, or decent operating speed should be removed.
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  9. #709


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    Quote Originally Posted by crawfish View Post

    First, I'm not trying to get anyone to use a particular number of rows. I'm trying to encourage making good use of the taskbar, which as I've said earlier, can be done with only one row.
    You call it good usage ? , you put over 50 applications on your taskbar, this is not a menu bar, aside who will use 50 differents applications in a day ? Are you actualy soing something productive with your PC or you just open and close apps ? This is your personnal choice it's not something everyone will like and it's not a replacement for the start menu for me.
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    Hi guys

    Lets get real here

    Metro -- If I say install something like Adobe suit etc -- then each sub item creates a separate metro tile probably about 25 in total !!!! .

    With the old menu you'd have some sort of Hierarchial structure
    such as Main_app==>a
    b
    c

    then you could click on b and get b===sub_b1
    b==>sub_b2 and so on.

    On Metro it just creates ZILLIONS of tiles which you could scroll leftwards FOREVER.

    For most enterprise situations this is a real no no. You must have some way of organizing the tiles in some sort of hierarchial sequence.

    Further the problem also arises with most "Genuine" Metro apps that each app will operate in FULL SCREEN MODE which is also a NO NO if you say want to compare two documents side by side etc.

    If you have to click on DESKTOP first and then fiddle around with standard applications to get two or 3 windows to appear on the same screen then one might as well stay with W7.

    I just CANNOT understand why people have so much difficulty in realizing that in the work place comparing two documents or even displaying two web sites ON THE SAME SCREEN is such a problem. We aren't all 14 year olds messing around on iPhones.

    We aren't Luddites either -- far from it -- but to my next Metro loving poster --pray please tell me how to display 2 EXCEL spreadsheets side by side WITHOUT USING THE DESKTOP. !!!!

    Even easier for those that DON'T have EXCEL or understand what I'm on about.

    Use IE in "Invasive mode" (from the Metro tiles) and show me how to display TWO websites side by side -- AGAIN WITHOUT USING THE DESKTOP.

    Don't get me wrong -- I LIKE W8 but the metro idea needs to be adapted for actual Business users too -- my earlier suggestion still stands --perhaps one can make a system setting (valid until changed again) -- when booting up --operate in classical Desktop mode or Metro mode.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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