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This will be Microsofts biggest ever flop, far bigger than Vista.

  1. #691


    I finally got it - you're talking about pure Start screen apps such as Maps which open to full screen only (hiding the task bar as well of course) so you can't have more than one open yes? So don't use Metro Apps. However for all ordinary programmes, from the Start screen I can open as many Firefoxs or Chromes as I like - they open on the desktop of course because the desktop is still the core of Win 8.

    I think we all should make it clear when talking about Apps if we mean desktop shortcuts we place on the Start screen or Metro Apps. They are different and behave differently. It also seems odd to refer to Metro as an interface. On a desktop PC Metro is just a bolt-on that sits over the desktop. The desktop is always there. Also, once opened, a Metro app is always open, there is no mechanism for the user to close it even when not visible.

    Metro seems to be of little use to desktop PC users beyond that I've found its Start screen useful for organising all my desktop shortcuts in handy groups. Otherwise Metro rarely impinges on me. That's my latest take anyway but I'm still learning and exploring!

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  2. #692


    Quote Originally Posted by Vince53 View Post
    Here's an earth-shattering thought:

    What if you used both Metro and the desktop, switching back and forth as you see fit?
    That would be too easy.

    Some guys would rather moan and complain about something that requires a single mouse click, or maybe a simple keyboard short cut is also to hard to remember.

    I remember all the complaining about pinning things to the taskbar when Windows 7 came out. Looks like they learned to live with it after all.
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  3. #693


    Germany/Florida
    Posts : 4,514
    Vista and Win7


    Quote Originally Posted by chev65 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Vince53 View Post
    Here's an earth-shattering thought:

    What if you used both Metro and the desktop, switching back and forth as you see fit?
    That would be too easy.

    Some guys would rather moan and complain about something that requires a single mouse click, or maybe a simple keyboard short cut is also to hard to remember.

    I remember all the complaining about pinning things to the taskbar when Windows 7 came out. Looks like they learned to live with it after all.
    I second that. I remember the moaning about the Windows 7 taskbar very well. Sometimes the moaners seem to get second thoughts.
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  4. #694


    Posts : 239
    Win7 & 8 64bit / Linux Mint 14


    Reading the way some of the posts are going I think we need to chill out a bit round here. It's not really a question as to whether anyone or everyone is going to use Win8 or stay with what they have already got. They will do whatever they feel best suits their own computing needs. And that my friends is the right way.

    I think this thread should be closed as it's strayed far away from the original posters subject 'This will be Microsofts biggest ever flop, far bigger than Vista' which was really just a simple straightforward yes or no answer. Sadly we seem to have got into some derogatory comments which is not what this forum is about. Folks may feel passionate one way or the other about Win8 but getting personal is crossing the line in my opinion. Just my $0.02 worth.
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  5. #695


    Much what I said way back on page 67!!
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  6. #696


    Posts : 142
    Windows 8 Enterprise 64-bit (7 Ult, Vista & XP in V-Box)


    Quote Originally Posted by whs View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by chev65 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Vince53 View Post
    Here's an earth-shattering thought:

    What if you used both Metro and the desktop, switching back and forth as you see fit?
    That would be too easy.

    Some guys would rather moan and complain about something that requires a single mouse click, or maybe a simple keyboard short cut is also to hard to remember.

    I remember all the complaining about pinning things to the taskbar when Windows 7 came out. Looks like they learned to live with it after all.
    I second that. I remember the moaning about the Windows 7 taskbar very well. Sometimes the moaners seem to get second thoughts.

    Never had an issue with the Win 7 taskbar. Nor do I 'have trouble' understanding or using Metro.

    It's just that I simply don't like it, and that's MY choice..

    But I DO have an issue with being dissed as a 'noob' because I don't set the taskbar up or use it
    the same way as someone else does.

    The whole point of customising Windows is that you can customise it to suit YOU.

    There is NO right way or wrong way. Just different ways. I know some who never touch a mouse, and
    others who won't use a keyboard. Most fall somewhere in-between. Doesn't make any of them 'wrong'.
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  7. #697


    Posts : 454
    Windows 8.1 Pro with Media Center


    Quote Originally Posted by Kat View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by crawfish View Post
    Seriously? SERIOUSLY? Read my messages to understand why the Start Menu has always been horrible and for numerous reasons why the "Metro" thing is horrible. Then again, why bother? You seem to be one of those people like "Kat" I think it was who thinks "nothing is better or worse than anything else", so you won't understand any of it. I'm just highly amused so many people like you post in what I assumed was a forum for enthusiasts, when instead it's proved to be a forum filled with people who never figured out how to use Windows 7 effectively, in particular, the taskbar, because if you understood the taskbar, you wouldn't be bringing up the Start Menu. As I've said probably a dozen times by now, it's puzzling.



    Still don't get it? There is NO right or wrong way to operate Windows, just DIFFERENT ways.

    Just because the methods of others don't suit YOU, doesn't mean they're wrong.

    Nor are we 'Luddites' or 'unable to understand' the taskbar.

    And, with over 25 years of experience, on multiple platforms,I do find your
    'forum for enthusiasts' being 'filled' with newbies who 'don't understand'
    somewhat offensive, as I am anything BUT.

    This thread is about Windows, it's not a forum to diss those who prefer
    to customise Windows to suit themselves.

    You sound to me like the kind of elitist who's never wrong, even when they are.

    A real 'My Way or the Highway' attitude.....
    Oh jeez, not this again. I responded to the main point the first time you said it.

    *****
    Originally Posted by Kat

    I thought I'd made this clear.....IMO there is no 'right' way or 'wrong' way, no 'better' or 'worse' way.

    That's complete nonsense. If you believe that and practice it, then you choose everything at random and are content with whatever you end up with. I described several ways in which my approach is objectively better, and I also addressed a possible criticism of it, the sacrifice of vertical space. These are the sorts of things a person thinks about when weighing different approaches. I also gave a critique of the other guy's approach with the vertical task bar with wide slabs containing frequently useless, truncated text, the Quick Launch bar and no pinned icons, which means his running program icons appear in semi-random locations and take up twice as much space, etc. He may be used to it and like it, but it doesn't mean it's a good way to do things, nor does it mean there's no better way.

    Again, I'm only posting about this here because in the face of the "Metro" thing, so many people here are talking about the Start Menu, Desktop, and Quick Launch bar, as if those are the best things about Windows. That indicates to me they never learned how to use the Windows 7 taskbar effectively. In the month or so I've been reading this forum, that conclusion has only been reinforced. I find it highly ironic they are interested in the "Metro" thing, and some seem to like it. But I guess if they're like you and believe everything is equally good, that does help me understand what's going on a little better.

    *****

    It appears you can't have a discussion because you don't have an opinion on anything, except what you perceive as bad behavior. And on that, you drone on and on endlessly. Tiresome. Very tiresome. And before you pop your top again, sit back, take a stress pill, and read what I wrote to you earlier. It's all I have to say to your ranting and absurd belief that nothing is better or worse than anything else.
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  8. #698


    Posts : 5,707
    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by Vince53 View Post
    Here's an earth-shattering thought:

    What if you used both Metro and the desktop, switching back and forth as you see fit?
    GASP!! Preposterous! Who would ever do that! WOW!................
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  9. #699


    Posts : 22,576
    64-bit Windows 10


    warning   Warning
    Let's keep this friendly shall we, or not post at all.

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  10. #700


    Germany/Florida
    Posts : 4,514
    Vista and Win7


    Quote Originally Posted by Kat View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by whs View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by chev65 View Post

    That would be too easy.

    Some guys would rather moan and complain about something that requires a single mouse click, or maybe a simple keyboard short cut is also to hard to remember.

    I remember all the complaining about pinning things to the taskbar when Windows 7 came out. Looks like they learned to live with it after all.
    I second that. I remember the moaning about the Windows 7 taskbar very well. Sometimes the moaners seem to get second thoughts.

    Never had an issue with the Win 7 taskbar. Nor do I 'have trouble' understanding or using Metro.

    It's just that I simply don't like it, and that's MY choice..

    But I DO have an issue with being dissed as a 'noob' because I don't set the taskbar up or use it
    the same way as someone else does.

    The whole point of customising Windows is that you can customise it to suit YOU.

    There is NO right way or wrong way. Just different ways. I know some who never touch a mouse, and
    others who won't use a keyboard. Most fall somewhere in-between. Doesn't make any of them 'wrong'.
    Given time, you will get over it and discover the bright sides of the new system. There are not many useful alternatives anyhow.
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