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This will be Microsofts biggest ever flop, far bigger than Vista.

  1. #61


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    Vista and Win7


    I think we all will learn how to live with Windows 8. It is not the end of the world and geeks always find ways to taylor it to their needs.

    But I am thinking about the 800 folks of my computer club - practically all folks over 60 years old. 90% of them have no clue how the system works and hardly manage the 10 buttons that they have been taught in extensive classes. When they see Windows 8 for the first time they will think that someone put them on another planet.

    I will make the test next Thursday when I run a class for the "advanced" crowd (last of 6x2 hour sessions on Windows 7 features). I plan to give them a presentation of Win 8 for about 45 minutes and ask for their initial opinion. I will do my best to be as positive and factual as possible. I am open minded towards Win 8 and think it is fun to play with it.

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  2. #62


    Adelaide
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    Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 (64 bit), Linux Mint 17.1 MATE (64 bit)

    The winner is going to be ...


    Quote Originally Posted by Spaisekraft View Post
    To be honest I would LOVE if Ubuntu or some other distro could replace Windows. Who knows, with the way mobile development is going and Ubuntu for Android, maybe it will some day.
    The winner is going to be the software maker who produces the best:
    • Desktop OS (for stationary users).
    • Mobile OS (for mobile users).


    I don't think that the two types are compatible.
    I think that W8 will probably be good on a phone or tablet (not that I'm likely to buy either).
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  3. #63


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    Quote Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Spaisekraft View Post
    To be honest I would LOVE if Ubuntu or some other distro could replace Windows. Who knows, with the way mobile development is going and Ubuntu for Android, maybe it will some day.
    The winner is going to be the software maker who produces the best:
    • Desktop OS (for stationary users).
    • Mobile OS (for mobile users).
    I don't think that the two types are compatible.
    I think that W8 will probably be good on a phone or tablet (not that I'm likely to buy either).
    Have you checked out Ubuntu for Android yet? I think that fits your description perfectly (Not just right now, but eventually). With ridiculously powerful phones coming out, quad core 1.5GHz with over a gig of ram, etc, Ubuntu for Android will run like a breeze. I think having access to all your mobile games and apps in a desktop environment like Ubuntu will help a LOT of people who would never even consider Linux make the switch.
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  4. #64


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    Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 (64 bit), Linux Mint 17.1 MATE (64 bit)

    No I haven't


    Quote Originally Posted by Spaisekraft View Post
    Have you checked out Ubuntu for Android yet?
    Quote Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    For Desktop users I agree this is very Counter intuitive but surely every man and his dog as has least ONE and probably TWO phones so people must be used to this way of working ...
    Sorry.
    I have less than "ONE and probably TWO phones".
    I don't need one and I'm certainly not paying (a minimum of) $30/month to have one.

    No I haven't.

    The thought of trying to use a phone to create a database, document or spreadsheet, fills me with indescribable feelings of horror.
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  5. #65


    Earth - I wish I was on Risa
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    Windows 7 Enterprise (x64), Windows 8 Enterprise (x64), Windows Server 2012


    Quote Originally Posted by whs View Post
    Originally Posted by Spaisekraft

    I remember during the early previews with W7 everyone was saying it was terrible and windows had doomed itself and it wasn't any better than vista.
    I don't know where you were at the time. I have lived thru the whole Win7 Beta and never heard such a statement. If I remember right, there was nothing but praise. Maybe there were a few guys that made derogative comments who only knew Win7 from hearsay - the same crowd like the one in the Mojave project.
    +1 I never heard any bad things about Windows 7 while testing and I was in it from the very start.
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  6. #66


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    Quote Originally Posted by WindowsStar View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by whs View Post
    Originally Posted by Spaisekraft

    I remember during the early previews with W7 everyone was saying it was terrible and windows had doomed itself and it wasn't any better than vista.
    I don't know where you were at the time. I have lived thru the whole Win7 Beta and never heard such a statement. If I remember right, there was nothing but praise. Maybe there were a few guys that made derogative comments who only knew Win7 from hearsay - the same crowd like the one in the Mojave project.
    +1 I never heard any bad things about Windows 7 while testing and I was in it from the very start.
    You can go google early reviews and find people complaining about W7 almost as bad as people complain about W8. It's there, it happened, and it happened frequently.
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  7. #67


    Posts : 5,707
    Windows 8.1 Pro


    I must disagree. Microsoft has decided to intentionally risk their entire Windows brand for the sake of radical change. Windows 95 was the last radical change for Windows and further versions only evolved the Start menu and Taskbar UI. Windows 8 throws much of that out. They obviously realize that it's going to be a risk, and it's going to be difficult for users to relearn a few things and find out the newer ways to do things are actually easier than they realize.

    But honestly, if you look through the past few months of threads here, you'll already see the debate of metro vs. no metro. Windows 8 is just like 95, people had to relearn things. I find Windows 8 to be refreshing and new, though I find the Consumer Preview to have some grievances, like having to use the touch way of using the Charms and not actually clicking on the new Start logo on the bottom left. There will be the initial resistance, but people change....
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  8. #68


    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    I must disagree. Microsoft has decided to intentionally risk their entire Windows brand for the sake of radical change. Windows 95 was the last radical change for Windows and further versions only evolved the Start menu and Taskbar UI. Windows 8 throws much of that out. They obviously realize that it's going to be a risk, and it's going to be difficult for users to relearn a few things and find out the newer ways to do things are actually easier than they realize.

    But honestly, if you look through the past few months of threads here, you'll already see the debate of metro vs. no metro. Windows 8 is just like 95, people had to relearn things. I find Windows 8 to be refreshing and new, though I find the Consumer Preview to have some grievances, like having to use the touch way of using the Charms and not actually clicking on the new Start logo on the bottom left. There will be the initial resistance, but people change....
    Agreed. Windows 8 is much diferent from what we now as OSes, and Microsoft knows that, and that's the point: they arent in the track of another Windows ME or Windows Vista.
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  9. #69


    Posts : 38
    Windows 8 CP 8250


    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    I must disagree. Microsoft has decided to intentionally risk their entire Windows brand for the sake of radical change. Windows 95 was the last radical change for Windows and further versions only evolved the Start menu and Taskbar UI. Windows 8 throws much of that out. They obviously realize that it's going to be a risk, and it's going to be difficult for users to relearn a few things and find out the newer ways to do things are actually easier than they realize.

    But honestly, if you look through the past few months of threads here, you'll already see the debate of metro vs. no metro. Windows 8 is just like 95, people had to relearn things. I find Windows 8 to be refreshing and new, though I find the Consumer Preview to have some grievances, like having to use the touch way of using the Charms and not actually clicking on the new Start logo on the bottom left. There will be the initial resistance, but people change....
    I don't think Microsoft is done tweaking the interface for desktop users yet. I'd be really surprised if they were.
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  10. #70


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    Windows 7 Ultimate, Windows Developer Preview, Linux Mint 9


    Defenders of the Metro would often use the argument that its like Windows 95 that was a radical risky change but right now, times have changed. It still won't change the fact that the Metro screen blocks everything on the Desktop once launched getting in the way as I view the things going on in there like my opened Desktop programs. However, having Desktop shortcuts or items pinned on the Taskbar will lessen this headache but still, I miss the old Start Menu because there are things I still like to do in it that I feel are easier and takes less space than doing in the Metro and I miss the old Start button, as I'm not a fan of the one on the Charms bar.

    Windows 8 will be in a few months but I feel it won't be as successful as Windows 7 but not as bad as Vista. Anyways, what I would like MS to do with this is that they should still give the user the end choice of making Metro optional and still have the old Start button where it used to be without installing anything third-party like Vistart and how about adding formal close and minimize buttons on Metro apps so they will have some advantage over other tablet apps on other tablet OSs?
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