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This will be Microsofts biggest ever flop, far bigger than Vista.

  1. #641


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    Windows 8 enterprise x64


    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Why would you want to make folders on the Start Screen of tiles? The concept of the Start Screen has been lost on you. It's not a Desktop nor a Desktop replacement. It's a start launcher where you put the items you use to be easily accessible. I don't know how you would think it's a Desktop...
    I don't think it's a desktop, I think it's you who can't see more far than your nose; .If we can put tiles inside another tiles as sub menu, I can group the applications I use less in a folder, or even be more organize. I have over 100 games on Steam, I don't like to have 100 games on my Metro start page, I will never stop to scroll. Now by folder I means a tiles that will open a menu with other tiles inside. The way it's done for now, if I group them in a folder it will open in the desktop, so you go too many different places for nothing.

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  2. #642


    Hafnarfjörður IS
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    Hi everybody
    It's time this thread was put to bed.

    Some will like it, some will hate it -- so what's new with the Human race.

    A small percentage will simply HATE it because they press one or two buttons that don't work they way they used to do and they get hopelessly lost in Navigation - rather like endless menus when calling up those "Temples of impersonal Customer services" often euphemistically called "Call Centres" rather than "Frustration and waiting areanas".

    I know a few who absolutely LOATHED the iPHONE --not because of APPLE but simply they hadn't bothered with the manual and couldn't even find out how to turn the thing OFF.

    Just try it for a few hours -- and then decide.

    I see a lot more people who originally HATED it are actually saying once they got used to it they prefer it to W7. !!

    EVERYBODY knows that for a desktop the Metro tiles will need a lot of sorting out -- De-uglification for one and also beimg able to arrrange applications properly in groups is another --expanding tiles (tiles within tiles is one possible solution).

    For a workplace user the main concern in using Metro is that each tile starts ONE application - so what happens if you want to compare entries in two or more documents / lists / spreadsheets side by side or at least on the same screen --even more difficult when using multiple monitors. I often have 3 instances of EXCEL running together with a power point presentation . I can't see Metro allowing that type of stuff. The DESKTOP for all its faults is the only way to get that working.

    Even IE in "Invasive mode" makes it impossible to look at 2 web sites at the same time ---- note here we are considering COMPUTER users (desktop / laptop) not MOBILE PHONES etc where it's fine for a single app to hog the whole screen.


    The only short comings I can see with this project is that big corporations have only just started rolling out W7 -- so unless things like WINTOGO are implemented so people can use their OWN software in the workplace I can't see these companies doing ANOTHER roll out any time soon - and that's got NOTHING to do with the quality or lack of it in W8. (The Metro single screen only for an app is also problematical for business users in the workplace for the reasons I outlined above when you want say to compare or view more than one document at the same time).

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  3. #643


    Jimbo said "The Metro single screen only for an app is also problematical" and this is a good point. I frequently need two copies of explorer open simultaneously. In Win 7 this isn't possible if opened from the taskbar so I create an explorer.exe shortcut on the desktop. Is there anyway to edit the properties of the start screen tiles/icons?

    Businesses as Jimbo says have only now started to upgrade to Win 7 and that is usually from XP! I can't see them ever catching up to be honest but at least with more businesses on Win 7, we on Win 8 will be closer than Win 7 was to XP.
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  4. #644


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    Quote Originally Posted by thatmanbrian View Post
    I frequently need two copies of explorer open simultaneously. In Win 7 this isn't possible if opened from the taskbar so I create an explorer.exe shortcut on the desktop. Is there anyway to edit the properties of the start screen tiles/icons?.
    If I understand you correctly, to open 2 copies of a program pinned to the taskbar simply click it once to open it. Then right click with the mouse (on the taskbar) and the 3rd option up you can select to open the same program a second time. Is that what you are after doing?
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  5. #645


    Don't despair, Mart. Criticism of the Metro Interface is so heavy that MS is bound to let us keep the desktop as well.
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  6. #646


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    Win7 & 8 64bit / Linux Mint 14


    Quote Originally Posted by Vince53 View Post
    Don't despair, Mart. Criticism of the Metro Interface is so heavy that MS is bound to let us keep the desktop as well.
    Not despairing as my Win7 rig is running great atm, (I'll probably live to regret that remark - LOL). Whether MS keep the classic desktop or not we will have to wait and see. They certainly stood their ground over the ribbon interface in Office and that was heavily criticised at the time from memory.
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    Not despairing as my Win7 rig is running great

    If you think that MS is having a hard time killing off Windows XP, wait until they try to get rid of Windows 7.
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  8. #648


    I like Windows 8, but I knew that lots of people wouldn't, and I expect MS knew that to. Removing the start button is a big change and a lot of people can't deal with a big change.

    I only read the very first post to this thread, and most of the things they found very difficult to find I found straight away, also I find it easy to create desktop shortcuts, although I choose not to, because it's neater to have them on the start page.

    I do agree with the shutting down or sleep, you need to be able to configure a button of your choice to the start page.

    Don't forget, this is only a preview, there will be changes for the full release.
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  9. #649


    Quote Originally Posted by mart4494 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by thatmanbrian View Post
    I frequently need two copies of explorer open simultaneously. In Win 7 this isn't possible if opened from the taskbar so I create an explorer.exe shortcut on the desktop. Is there anyway to edit the properties of the start screen tiles/icons?.
    If I understand you correctly, to open 2 copies of a program pinned to the taskbar simply click it once to open it. Then right click with the mouse (on the taskbar) and the 3rd option up you can select to open the same program a second time. Is that what you are after doing?
    Actually I was referring to clicking on a ordinary desktop shortcut. Your method may well be my answer. Thanks. With explorer left-clicking the taskbar icon a second time does nothing.
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    Yorkshire
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    Windows 8 Ultimate (x64) (build 8250)


    Well I've just sat here for the past hour and read many posts but can't for the life of me figure out what all the fuss is about because within one hour of installing the consumer preview, I had my start menu back! I have the OS installed on two separate hard drives and have two different start menu's working..One I created myself and one that emulates a Windows 7 start menu..

    Now I have the speed and pure excellence of Windows 8 optimized to my liking

    I'm no power user either, just an average Joe game developer who works on PC's and Mac's..Power users to me are just know-it-all bigots in reality!

    A hundred years ago all you people that can't adjust to modernisation would have been called Luddite's

    Anyway.......Hooray for Windows 8 Ultimate and bigup Microsoft....When you've had the misfortune of dealing with Mac's and Lion, you'll be crying for Windows 8 within five minutes..

    Mac's look pretty and so does the desktop environment, but I use the analogy, Mac's are like Rolls Royce's to look at but with Skoda engines and PC's look like Skoda's but have Ferrari engines...
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This will be Microsofts biggest ever flop, far bigger than Vista.
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