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This will be Microsofts biggest ever flop, far bigger than Vista.

  1. #631


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kat View Post
    I thought I'd made this clear.....IMO there is no 'right' way or 'wrong' way, no 'better' or 'worse' way.
    That's complete nonsense. If you believe that and practice it, then you choose everything at random and are content with whatever you end up with. I described several ways in which my approach is objectively better, and I also addressed a possible criticism of it, the sacrifice of vertical space. These are the sorts of things a person thinks about when weighing different approaches. I also gave a critique of the other guy's approach with the vertical task bar with wide slabs containing frequently useless, truncated text, the Quick Launch bar and no pinned icons, which means his running program icons appear in semi-random locations and take up twice as much space, etc. He may be used to it and like it, but it doesn't mean it's a good way to do things, nor does it mean there's no better way.

    Again, I'm only posting about this here because in the face of the "Metro" thing, so many people here are talking about the Start Menu, Desktop, and Quick Launch bar, as if those are the best things about Windows. That indicates to me they never learned how to use the Windows 7 taskbar effectively. In the month or so I've been reading this forum, that conclusion has only been reinforced. I find it highly ironic they are interested in the "Metro" thing, and some seem to like it. But I guess if they're like you and believe everything is equally good, that does help me understand what's going on a little better.

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  2. #632


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    Quote Originally Posted by area 66 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by whs View Post
    This is just not true. I made mine to look exactly like a traditional start - plus some. On a final system I would probably not arrange it like this, but if you fell alienated, it can be done.

    This is not customizing it’s simply rearranging, you can’t even change the size of the tiles (now he gone tell me he can reduce the big one, lol ) I was referring to the possibility to setup it to run in windows, run separately on another monitor. You can’t even create a folder and include other tiles inside.
    Why would you want to make folders on the Start Screen of tiles? The concept of the Start Screen has been lost on you. It's not a Desktop nor a Desktop replacement. It's a start launcher where you put the items you use to be easily accessible. I don't know how you would think it's a Desktop...
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  3. #633


    Folks, I'm going to go with Kat on this one. A traditional strength of Windows is that there is more than one correct way to do things. If you think one of the ways is a bad idea, use another method.
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  4. #634


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    Quote Originally Posted by Vince53 View Post
    Folks, I'm going to go with Kat on this one. A traditional strength of Windows is that there is more than one correct way to do things. If you think one of the ways is a bad idea, use another method.
    Right, but much of that strength has been weakened with Metro. Yeah you can organize the tiles in rows, change the background, little stuff - unlike 7, where you can throw a bunch of junk on the desktop, throw a bunch of junk into the Taskbar like crawfish does, throw a bunch of junk in the Start Menu or throw a bunch of junk in the Quick Launch. That's 4 major ways of organizing, each of them is distinct. These are the choices with Metro:

    1.) in-your-face tiles
    2.) disabling it

    That's what ticks people off. The learning curve is a valid argument but I think it's the weakest one against 8. People either like Metro or they don't. And many of the reasons for not liking it are simply a matter of taste. For example, I hate cooked carrots. But cooked carrots are better for you than candy. That's awesome. I still hate cooked carrots. Also can't stand this painting:

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    But someone bought it for $137.5 million! Bet that person was drunk. So was the painter. These two examples aren't exact analogies but the greater point is that this kind of visceral reaction is almost impossible to overcome. I've said this before, but I hate scrolling horizontally on a PC. Phone or tablet, fine. But on a PC I'd have to scroll horizontally with Metro, and it just rubs me the wrong way. I'll never get used to that because horizontally scrolling websites have been around since websites were invented and they make me want to grab the designer by the lapels and say - what in the living hell were you thinking? You ever see a forum like this when someone posts something the wrong way and screws up the formatting and widens the screen? People go ballistic. When I use OneNote, I hate having to scroll R-L, so I keep everything that I can within the limits of my screen. When I use Excel I hate scrolling L-R. Sometimes you have to scroll L-R in Excel. Still hate it. Obviously, no one in charge at MS thought about this type of stuff (and a whole bunch of other stuff) ahead of time, or if they did they didn't care. Not sure how smart that is.
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  5. #635


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    I think cookies are a harmless treat once in a while.....
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  6. #636


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    Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 (64 bit), Linux Mint 17.1 MATE (64 bit)

    Umm ...


    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by area 66 View Post
    This is not customizing itís simply rearranging, you canít even change the size of the tiles (now he gone tell me he can reduce the big one, lol ) I was referring to the possibility to setup it to run in windows, run separately on another monitor. You canít even create a folder and include other tiles inside.
    Why would you want to make folders on the Start Screen of tiles? The concept of the Start Screen has been lost on you. It's not a Desktop nor a Desktop replacement. It's a start launcher where you put the items you use to be easily accessible. I don't know how you would think it's a Desktop...
    How about, to use it like the "Start Menu" that MS so thoughfully deleted?
    So that you can start programs without having to type the name of it (assuming you know the name)?

    Have you ever installed MS Office?
    I haven't installed every function/program and it has installed 14 icons in my "Start Menu".
    When you install it in W8, you get the same number of tiles, which clutter up the screen.

    Once you delete them from the Metro screen, you are then forced to "Search" for them.
    If you could "folder" them, you could just expand the folder and select the item you want.
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  7. #637


    You know, Colonel Travis, I prefer the desktop to Metro. But in working with Metro, I found free apps from the Microsoft Store. It has its strong points.
    Last edited by Vince53; 26 Mar 2012 at 10:18.
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  8. #638


    Adelaide
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    Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 (64 bit), Linux Mint 17.1 MATE (64 bit)

    You don't need Metro for that


    Quote Originally Posted by Vince53 View Post
    Yu know, Colonel Travis, I prefer the desktop to Metro. But in working with Metro, I found free apps from the Microsoft Store. It has its strong points.
    You don't need Metro to get free (legal) programs for Windows.
    FREE Great Programs for Windows 7 - Windows 7 Forums

    You can also find free (legal) games, music, software and videos at places like FrostClick.
    FrostClick.com - 100% Free Shareable Content
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  9. #639


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    Quote Originally Posted by Vince53 View Post
    Yu know, Colonel Travis, I prefer the desktop to Metro. But in working with Metro, I found free apps from the Microsoft Store. It has its strong points.
    This is going to be interesting to see how this plays out - it's really all in the hands of MS now. I'm sure Win8 has some very good points especially in the underlying OS. I just hope MS offers users the option - Metro or Classic. But I'm not hopeful over this. I think they are going to try and force Metro down everyone's throat.
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  10. #640


    If Crawfish has two monitors, he can have his large taskbar on the second screen, visible at all times. Best of both worlds like I said earlier.

    MS have been very clever by releasing this CP edition. It has got enthusiasts experimenting and talking about the interface and acting as a focus group. They always said the CP release isn't finalized and I bet the reactions on forums such as this will influence what finally appears.
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