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This will be Microsofts biggest ever flop, far bigger than Vista.

  1. #621


    KAT, I started with Windows 3.11 and I consider every upgrade except Vista to be an improvement. The learning curve on Win 8 is steeper than most, but I'm getting the hang of it.

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  2. #622


    I'm still learning Win 8 too. Part of the pleasure of computing. I also have the latest versions of two stalwart applications Lightroom 4 and Photoshop CS6 which are also big upgrades so lots to get to grips with!

    Oh found one app that won't run on Win 8 - Windows Blinds. Not crucial.
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  3. #623


    Tropical Island Pair a Dice
    Posts : 3,030
    Windows 8.1 Pro x64/ Windows 7 Ult x64


    The best thing about Windows OS is that you can customize them to the way you want it to be.

    Everybody gets to make it their own.
    If you just don't like it you can use other alternatives, choice is a good thing.
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  4. #624


    Posts : 1,308
    Windows 8 enterprise x64


    Quote Originally Posted by Dave76 View Post
    The best thing about Windows OS is that you can customize them to the way you want it to be.

    Everybody gets to make it their own.
    If you just don't like it you can use other alternatives, choice is a good thing.

    You can't customize the start page, this is the problem I start a tread on how it should be improved.

    https://www.eightforums.com/general-d...enjoyable.html
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  5. #625


    Germany/Florida
    Posts : 4,514
    Vista and Win7


    You can't customize the start page
    This is just not true. I made mine to look exactly like a traditional start - plus some. On a final system I would probably not arrange it like this, but if you fell alienated, it can be done.



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  6. #626


    Posts : 454
    Windows 8.1 Pro with Media Center


    Quote Originally Posted by Kari View Post
    I for instance could never pin items on my taskbar when QuickLaunch works for me so much better, allowing me to leave taskbar for those apps I am currently running.
    OK, so you're using a vertically oriented taskbar with icon plus text slabs for the running programs. I've always thought the slabs with their frequently truncated text such as your "Seven Forums - Microsoft On..." and "Outlook Today - Microsoft O..." were an ugly waste of space, but whatever. I've been talking about a horizontal taskbar using icons and no text, and see the two messages I linked to for more on that, along with a screenshot and description of what I use. In the first of those messages, I mentioned a traditional pre-7 taskbar weakness, the semi-random placement of the icons (slabs) for running programs, which is determined by the order in which you run them and also by the order in which you close programs. Your running program icons (slabs) are always moving around due to your use of the Quick Launch bar and refusal to pin programs to the taskbar. OTOH, because I pin icons to the taskbar, they're always in the same place, running or not, and when I run one, it doesn't take up additional space in the taskbar, because the same icon is reused. So, it takes up more space to use the Quick Launch bar, and it makes it harder to find running programs. Those are two objective reasons why the Quick Launch bar and unpinned programs are undesirable. To use the taskbar most effectively, you really do have to go to the pure icon view, with extensive pinning, and no Quick Launch bar, and IMO (this is the actual opinion part), this looks and works better with a horizontal taskbar. From my earlier message:

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    I was willing to sacrifice a small amount of vertical space to have everything I use regularly at my fingertips in fixed locations. I can still get 45 lines of text in a Visual Studio text window without going to full screen mode or hiding the taskbar, and that's good enough. To my surprise, the small loss of vertical space has been a complete non-issue for me. I'm so glad I tried it.

    I've got around 50 programs pinned to the taskbar with room left for 5 transient programs. They are grouped by purpose, with all the multimedia viewing programs together, office programs together, etc. To the right of the pinned icons, there are 12 folder shortcuts. The top six contain additional shortcuts for infrequently used programs that I copied from the Start Menu using drag and drop. The bottom six are for frequently accessed file folders. To the right is the notification area, and Windows makes great use of the vertical space. Because everything stays in the same position, I'm quick to locate programs to start them, and I never have to hunt for (say) the Windows Explorer icon to locate open Explorer windows on the taskbar; I just look for the topmost leftmost pinned icon.

    I packed a ton of the stuff I use all the time onto my taskbar, which makes very efficient use of the space I've devoted to it. Someone who uses fewer programs could certainly make do with less than the three rows I use. While I don't use, need, or even want text for the program icons, note that the 12 folder icons do (necessarily) appear with their names beside them. They're not truncated like the slab text in your screenshot, and they convey useful, necessary information. Referring to my screenshot, if I wanted to, I could have 49 pinned programs running at once, with their icons in fixed locations, so no hunting is required to find one, irrespective of the order in which I launched them, with 5 more transient programs running in the unoccupied "pinning area", and they'd all be right there in front of me, with no truncation or scrolling required, with jumplists always available, progress bars visible, etc. That's making effective use of space, and it doesn't even appear I use more space than you. I just do a lot more with it. Note also that there's no reason to keep all the notification icons visible all the time, and I've reduced the size of the notification area accordingly, so that only the ones I care about are always visible, with room left over for transient ones that show a little while before disappearing or becoming hidden, such as print jobs.

    Microsoft did something brilliant with the Windows 7 taskbar. Yet people stick to old ways like the Quick Launch bar that don't exploit the genuine advancements they made, that continue to suffer from the weaknesses of the pre-7 taskbar, not to mention making heavy use of the Start Menu and desktop, which have never been anywhere near good enough to be the primary program launcher and organizer. As I keep saying, it's puzzling.
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  7. #627


    Posts : 142
    Windows 8 Enterprise 64-bit (7 Ult, Vista & XP in V-Box)


    I thought I'd made this clear.....IMO there is no 'right' way or 'wrong' way, no 'better' or 'worse' way.

    Just different ways, and this is one of the beauties of Windows.

    You like your taskbar set-up like that, well that's just fine.

    But do stop trying to denigrate those who prefer a different setup.

    It's NOT worse, just different, and what works for some may not be suitable for others.
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  8. #628


    Posts : 239
    Win7 & 8 64bit / Linux Mint 14


    Quote Originally Posted by crawfish View Post
    Yet people stick to old ways like the Quick Launch bar that don't exploit the genuine advancements they made, that continue to suffer from the weaknesses of the pre-7 taskbar, not to mention making heavy use of the Start Menu and desktop, which have never been anywhere near good enough to be the primary program launcher and organizer. As I keep saying, it's puzzling.
    That is their prerogative surely.
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  9. #629



    I am Woman! Hear Me Roar!
    NJ
    Posts : 1,116
    4 Windows 7 Pro Sp1- 4 Win 8 Pro, 1- xp pro sp3


    Quote Originally Posted by Vince53 View Post
    sigh

    Folks, if you don't like the Metro Interface, press the Windows key and you'll get the classic desktop. Or press the Windows key+D. Or press Ctrl+Esc.
    you can also click on the app that says desktop and in there is where you should have the Start Menu like Windows 7 has now. this gives you both worlds if you want. On the taskbar it can give you that big box to go back to the Metro Start.
    robin
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  10. #630


    Posts : 1,308
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    Quote Originally Posted by whs View Post
    This is just not true. I made mine to look exactly like a traditional start - plus some. On a final system I would probably not arrange it like this, but if you fell alienated, it can be done.

    This is not customizing it’s simply rearranging, you can’t even change the size of the tiles (now he gone tell me he can reduce the big one, lol ) I was referring to the possibility to setup it to run in windows, run separately on another monitor. You can’t even create a folder and include other tiles inside.
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