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This will be Microsofts biggest ever flop, far bigger than Vista.

  1. #591


    Germany/Florida
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    Vista and Win7


    It seems that people who usually have a desktop full of shortcut icons now complain about having a start menu full of tiles. Where is the difference. At least the tiles don't shift their location every 5 minutes and they can be neatly organized in groups. I would call that progress.

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  2. #592


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    Windows 7 x64 Ultimate/Windows 8.1/Linux


    Quote Originally Posted by whs View Post
    It seems that people who usually have a desktop full of shortcut icons now complain about having a start menu full of tiles. Where is the difference.
    There are no differences, conceptually, but at least with desktop icons, right click is more useful and can be customised.

    At least the tiles don't shift their location every 5 minutes and they can be neatly organized in groups
    It's quite possible to achieve the same level of organisation for desktop icons using something like Fences

    . I would call that progress.
    I'd call it a different, less functional way of doing something, that's been possible for a long time. Of course, if you like finger grease and other skin related detritus with you work flow. Metro does offer touch.
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  3. #593


    I believe Microsoft has made a big mistake releasing this beta version without proper documentation. I expect one or more of the new books on Windows 8 will have a chapter on Configuration for Desktop Users. The folks complaining about the "puzzle UI" will be able to read the chapter, spend a few minutes with some Start screen configuration and have an operating system that is nearly identical to Windows 7 but with an easier to use "Start Menu". Of course several share/free ware programmers will provide programs that do all the configuration for you and save that few minutes. It would be nice to have a configuration that boots to the desktop to save the 25 milliseconds it takes to hit the "windows key" :-)
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  4. #594


    Germany/Florida
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    Vista and Win7


    At least the tiles don't shift their location every 5 minutes and they can be neatly organized in groups

    It's quite possible to achieve the same level of organisation for desktop icons using something like Fences
    Yeah, I know that. With OEM programs you can do a lot of things. But I am talking about Windows native functions. Who knows what nifty programs we will get for Windows 8 with which we can do really nice things.
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  5. #595


    sigh

    Folks, if you don't like the Metro Interface, press the Windows key and you'll get the classic desktop. Or press the Windows key+D. Or press Ctrl+Esc.
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  6. #596


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    Windows 7 x64 Ultimate/Windows 8.1/Linux


    Quote Originally Posted by whs View Post
    At least the tiles don't shift their location every 5 minutes and they can be neatly organized in groups

    It's quite possible to achieve the same level of organisation for desktop icons using something like Fences
    Yeah, I know that. With OEM programs you can do a lot of things. But I am talking about Windows native functions. Who knows what nifty programs we will get for Windows 8 with which we can do really nice things.
    I'm sure they will but unless these 'utilities' are able to change the underlying functionality of Metro, then as far as Metro applications are concerned, they'll still be single instance. This is fine for simple tasks, but completely useless for doing anything more significant. Likewise, if they all they do is make it possible to customise the start page, then there's little to be gained, apart from making it 'pretty'

    Still, The RC winmain build is in progress and apparently there's some UI changes, so we'll have to wait and see if they've come to their senses and provided away to bypass, on the desktop at least, Metro entirely. For some reason, however, I doubt this will happen.
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  7. #597


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    Windows 7 x64 Ultimate/Windows 8.1/Linux


    Quote Originally Posted by Vince53 View Post
    sigh

    Folks, if you don't like the Metro Interface, press the Windows key and you'll get the classic desktop. Or press the Windows key+D. Or press Ctrl+Esc.
    Indeed, it's as easy as that. The point, however, is why contend with something that, for a great many people, is a completely useless, unwanted extra step in the boot process.
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  8. #598


    Posts : 454
    Windows 8.1 Pro with Media Center


    Quote Originally Posted by whs View Post
    It seems that people who usually have a desktop full of shortcut icons now complain about having a start menu full of tiles. Where is the difference. At least the tiles don't shift their location every 5 minutes and they can be neatly organized in groups. I would call that progress.
    As I've written here before in some detail, people who filled their desktop with program icons in Windows 7 and used the Start Menu on a regular basis never understood how to use the Windows 7 taskbar. They'd be satisfied with anything, including the "Metro" thing. As I also described in that message, the "Metro" thing discards many principles of good UI design. The "Metro" thing is not progress; it's just a misguided blunder. The koolaid at Microsoft is some very powerful stuff.
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  9. #599


    Quote Originally Posted by CalBear View Post
    I believe Microsoft has made a big mistake releasing this beta version without proper documentation. I expect one or more of the new books on Windows 8 will have a chapter on Configuration for Desktop Users. The folks complaining about the "puzzle UI" will be able to read the chapter, spend a few minutes with some Start screen configuration and have an operating system that is nearly identical to Windows 7 but with an easier to use "Start Menu". Of course several share/free ware programmers will provide programs that do all the configuration for you and save that few minutes. It would be nice to have a configuration that boots to the desktop to save the 25 milliseconds it takes to hit the "windows key" :-)
    The big mistake here, is why even need documentation to use an OS designed for tablets in 2012. We're not talking about 1998 when PCs are primarily used by pros and geeks.

    Houston you got problems when you can't find the manual to the launch sequence.
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  10. #600


    Funny how polarised opinion has become on this issue! I'm still in two minds as I've only had Win 8 a week and there is so much to learn before I can form an opinion. I do find the Start screen useful though, now that I've configured it to my liking.
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This will be Microsofts biggest ever flop, far bigger than Vista.
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