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This will be Microsofts biggest ever flop, far bigger than Vista.

  1. #51


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    Quote Originally Posted by Vertex View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Spaisekraft View Post

    It's not blocking anything. Boot up windows, click the desktop icon. Bam, back to the desktop. Need to open a program? Windows key (or click the bottom left corner) and click a pinned app you use frequently. Don't have it pinned? Just start typing the name and hit enter. Don't like typing? Right click and view all apps and DO EXACTLY THE SAME THING YOU'D DO IN THE OLD START MENU TO FIND AN APPLICATION.

    What people fail to realize is that the start screen does *everything* the old start menu did, but it allows for more personalization and customization. This is what my start screen looks like: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/6800062/wind...artscreen1.png

    It serves the same functions the old start menu did; show my favorite pinned apps. I can still open explorer, I can still get to control panel, I can still get to the network settings, I can still get to my pictures, I can still get to EVERYTHING the old menu system offered.

    The ONE problem I have with the new start screen is that you can't create a desktop shortcut from the app list. But this is beta, and I'm sure they'll add more features before it's released.
    It is blocking the Desktop whenever there is a time it needs to be launched, I don't understand why you insist it isn't when obviously it is. This whole full screen thing is not my preference and when you right click on a tile on the Metro, it does not have a good context menu as right clicking those items in the old Start Menu. The old Start menu also gives you quick access to locations like Documents, Pictures, Music, Recent Items, Run Command without typing anything. The full screen thing is just not an efficient space saver to me. Plus the new Control Panel on the Metro is a bit confusing to new users. So to a sense, the Metro Start Screen does NOT do all what the old Start Menu has to offer.
    Oh, okay I see what you meant by blocking lol. Well, that's true, but that's more of a visual personal preference. For me it doesn't bother me because it's open for 2-3 seconds at most each time. And yeah the context menu could be a LOT better, but it's not a game breaker at all. You can still make shortcuts to all those locations you listed, but I agree that won't be intuitive to new users. I'm not saying the Metro interface is perfect, but it is very good in how customizable it actually is when you learn your way around it.

    Also if you still want to run cmd without typing anything, right click the bottom left where the start button pops up and you'll get a very spiffy context menu: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/6800062/w8startcontextmenu.png <-- That is actually WAAAAAY faster than if you were wanting to access most of those features in W7 without typing.

    I remember during the early previews with W7 everyone was saying it was terrible and windows had doomed itself and it wasn't any better than vista.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spaisekraft View Post
    I remember during the early previews with W7 everyone was saying it was terrible and windows had doomed itself and it wasn't any better than vista.
    I was on the other side of that debate.
    I did have some gripes (like the "Read-only" attribute and the Windows Explorer scroll bug).

    I basically used W7 as my main OS, from b7048 to today (I was using XP).
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  3. #53


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    Originally Posted by Spaisekraft

    I remember during the early previews with W7 everyone was saying it was terrible and windows had doomed itself and it wasn't any better than vista.
    I don't know where you were at the time. I have lived thru the whole Win7 Beta and never heard such a statement. If I remember right, there was nothing but praise. Maybe there were a few guys that made derogative comments who only knew Win7 from hearsay - the same crowd like the one in the Mojave project.
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  4. #54


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    Quote Originally Posted by whs View Post
    Originally Posted by Spaisekraft

    I remember during the early previews with W7 everyone was saying it was terrible and windows had doomed itself and it wasn't any better than vista.
    I don't know where you were at the time. I have lived thru the whole Win7 Beta and never heard such a statement. If I remember right, there was nothing but praise. Maybe there were a few guys that made derogative comments who only knew Win7 from hearsay - the same crowd like the one in the Mojave project.
    lol well I remember having to vehemently defend W7 when the first preview came out.
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  5. #55


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    Windows 8 enterprise x64


    Agree, everyone was happy of Windows 7 preview and beta.
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  6. #56


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    Quote Originally Posted by area 66 View Post
    Agree, everyone was happy of Windows 7 preview and beta.
    Just do a quick search on Windows 7 reviews, and read the comment sections of any website. Most reviews are good, but there are still a LOT of people who complained and hated W7 at first.

    I look at it like Unity on Ubuntu. Everyone hated it when it first came out. People got so angry and said they'd only use gnome. Now everyone loves Unity. All because Canonical went and made a few tweaks to how things worked, but the overall functionality stayed the same.

    I think a similar thing will happen with W8.
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  7. #57


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    Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 (64 bit), Linux Mint 17.1 MATE (64 bit)

    We agree on this point


    Quote Originally Posted by Spaisekraft View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by whs View Post
    Originally Posted by Spaisekraft

    I remember during the early previews with W7 everyone was saying it was terrible and windows had doomed itself and it wasn't any better than vista.
    I don't know where you were at the time. I have lived thru the whole Win7 Beta and never heard such a statement. If I remember right, there was nothing but praise. Maybe there were a few guys that made derogative comments who only knew Win7 from hearsay - the same crowd like the one in the Mojave project.
    lol well I remember having to vehemently defend W7 when the first preview came out.
    I agree with you on this point.

    I still see posts stating:
    • "W7 won't run on XP-level PCs".
    • "W7 uses more resources than Vista".


    I initially ran it on a PC that was probably 2004 vintage (if not older).
    It was slower at some tasks (than XP) but it was faster at others.

    I'm in the "Ribbon-hater camp" myself.

    Quote Originally Posted by Spaisekraft View Post
    I look at it like Unity on Ubuntu. Everyone hated it when it first came out. People got so angry and said they'd only use gnome. Now everyone loves Unity. All because Canonical went and made a few tweaks to how things worked, but the overall functionality stayed the same.
    I disagree with this though.
    On the sites I go to, lots of people claim they have switched to Mint.

    Quote Originally Posted by Spaisekraft View Post
    I think a similar thing will happen with W8.
    It may well.
    Mac?
    Linux?
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    Windows 8 Pro/Windows 8 Pro/Windows 7 64 Bit64Bit/Windows XP


    I remember at EVERY Windows launch , people were bitching and complaining, even at Windows 7, but here we are at 90% of the market, and ready for more bitching and complaining.
    Its funny how everybody always says they are going over to Mac and Linux and yet the percentages hardly ever change.
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  9. #59


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    I'm hoping that MS is smart enough to simply give the user the CHOICE of the new Metro skin, or with the click of the mouse a similar UI to W7. Like others have said Metro is NOT something that lends itself to a traditional business productivity environment. There is NO way around that complaint.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Spaisekraft View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by whs View Post
    I don't know where you were at the time. I have lived thru the whole Win7 Beta and never heard such a statement. If I remember right, there was nothing but praise. Maybe there were a few guys that made derogative comments who only knew Win7 from hearsay - the same crowd like the one in the Mojave project.
    lol well I remember having to vehemently defend W7 when the first preview came out.
    I agree with you on this point.I still see posts stating:
    • "W7 won't run on XP-level PCs".
    • "W7 uses more resources than Vista".
    I initially ran it on a PC that was probably 2004 vintage (if not older).It was slower at some tasks (than XP) but it was faster at others.I'm in the "Ribbon-hater camp" myself.
    Quote Originally Posted by Spaisekraft View Post
    I look at it like Unity on Ubuntu. Everyone hated it when it first came out. People got so angry and said they'd only use gnome. Now everyone loves Unity. All because Canonical went and made a few tweaks to how things worked, but the overall functionality stayed the same.
    I disagree with this though.On the sites I go to, lots of people claim they have switched to Mint.
    Quote Originally Posted by Spaisekraft View Post
    I think a similar thing will happen with W8.
    It may well. Mac?Linux?
    Personally, I love Windows 8 and I feel extremely productive using it. But that's just me. It's not for everyone.To be honest I would LOVE if Ubuntu or some other distro could replace Windows. Who knows, with the way mobile development is going and Ubuntu for Android, maybe it will some day.
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