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This will be Microsofts biggest ever flop, far bigger than Vista.

  1. #551


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    Quote Originally Posted by CalBear View Post
    Wasn't Fortran fun :-)
    FORmula TRANslation *drool*

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    I've been using the Preview version for about four days, and I think that MS can do well with the full OS.

    They have decided that touchscreens are the wave of the future, and they're heading in that direction. Like floppy drives and 32-bit hardware, the time will come when mouse pointers and regular screens will no longer be used.

    I THINK that MS deliberately released the Preview version to get people used to the Metro interface. After a while, you do get used to it. They didn't want an outpouring of public wrath when 8 came out and people learned how difficult it is to work with if you're used to older versions of Windows.

    Microsoft MUST be following forums like this. They'll make it easier to use the classic desktop, make it possible to find the shutdown button, and possibly add a Start Menu, because these are what people are complaining about.

    Remember that the Preview version has many features unactivated, and the real version will have more options.

    And as a dedicated Firefox fan, I am surprised at how much I like Internet Explorer 10.
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    I don't think mouse and keyboard are going anywhere. If people put those away and used touchscreens instead, their arms would either fall off or they would eventually have the physique of Schwarzenegger in his prime. heh

    I'll never use one on purpose. Maybe to help a friend or something like that. That's it.
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  4. #554


    Imagine a spreadsheet 15 columns, 120 rows on a touch screen. Fortunately Windows 8 can be easily configured to emphasize desktop operation and use the Start and App screens to simply replace the Start Button. Actually that version of the "Start Button" is easier to use than the XP or Win7 versions.
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  5. #555


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    Hi,

    I THINK that MS deliberately released the Preview version to get people used to the Metro interface. After a while, you do get used to it. They didn't want an outpouring of public wrath when 8 came out and people learned how difficult it is to work with if you're used to older versions of Windows.
    It's not about being difficult to use or not, it's about being completely useless on a desktop.
    What they should do, at the very least, is to allow the user to revert to the regular desktop as we know it. There's nothing wrong with it and no one using a desktop for what's it's meant to do is going to use it as if it were a tablet or mobile phone.
    What's the point in that?

    Cheers,
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  6. #556


    I don't understand "completely useless on a desktop". You can do everything you presently do with XP or Win7, run all your programs, have icons for your favorite files/programs. What do you want to do that you can't do with the Win8 desktop?
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  7. #557


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    Quote Originally Posted by Vince53 View Post
    I've been using the Preview version for about four days, and I think that MS can do well with the full OS.

    They have decided that touchscreens are the wave of the future, and they're heading in that direction. Like floppy drives and 32-bit hardware, the time will come when mouse pointers and regular screens will no longer be used.
    Have you stopped to think about the ergonomics of using touch screens in a desktop environment, where one or more monitors may be 50 to 100cm in front of the user and possibly elevated as well? For the foreseeable future, touch screen devices will only be useful on hand-held devices.

    I THINK that MS deliberately released the Preview version to get people used to the Metro interface. After a while, you do get used to it. They didn't want an outpouring of public wrath when 8 came out and people learned how difficult it is to work with if you're used to older versions of Windows.
    It's not at all unusual for Microsoft to release beta versions of their software, the only difference this time around, is the name change to Consumer Preview.

    Microsoft MUST be following forums like this. They'll make it easier to use the classic desktop, make it possible to find the shutdown button, and possibly add a Start Menu, because these are what people are complaining about.
    I wouldn't bet on it, they've had their own, well attended Building Windows 8 blog since DP and if you take a look, you'll find the comments most enlightening.

    Remember that the Preview version has many features unactivated, and the real version will have more options.
    The version you have in front of you now, is what Microsoft have claimed is feature complete. If this truly is the case, then as with Windows 7, the only changes will be bug fixes and performance tuning. Anything else, including things like the new Media cettre, will come later.

    And as a dedicated Firefox fan, I am surprised at how much I like Internet Explorer 10.
    The desktop version of IE 10 has a lot to commend it, by contast, the Metro version is a complete waste of time and missing some very significant features. That aside, It will be interesting to see what Mozilla, Google and perhaps Opera deliver, with their Metro versions.
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  8. #558


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    Hi,

    Quote Originally Posted by CalBear View Post
    I don't understand "completely useless on a desktop". You can do everything you presently do with XP or Win7, run all your programs, have icons for your favorite files/programs. What do you want to do that you can't do with the Win8 desktop?
    As in completely useless on a desktop PC as opposed to handheld devices etc.
    As it stands the current iteration of how the OS is set up with it's "in your face" startmenu and ditto tiles is a counterproductive, counterintuitive detour from what we had before in W7 or W2K8S.
    It just takes too many tweaking and digging to turn it into the practical tool a desktop computer is meant to be.


    I like my OS "Bauhaus" style where form follows function, not the "I'll make you bend over backwards" style it turns out to be now.

    Don't get me wrong, I do like some things it does and I always welcome a speedy boot up but not if it's going to bring productivity to a grinding halt afterwards....
    I also like to point and click to get to the stuff I need, if you're forced to type in everything you want to pop up or run you may just as well run a core version of the thing.

    Cheers,
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  9. #559


    A lot of good points here, and I'd like to add one more. It IS difficult for some people to use touchscreens, but the trend is to have your computer lying flat in front of you so the touchscreen is easy to get to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CalBear View Post
    Actually that version of the "Start Button" is easier to use than the XP or Win7 versions.
    I find it so too. SIW2 calls it the kiddie screen lol and I have to agree with him on it - but - it is quicker for me.
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