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This will be Microsofts biggest ever flop, far bigger than Vista.

  1. #531


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    Quote Originally Posted by whest View Post
    When's any business going to speak up in favour of W8? Everywhere I read they can't afford the training for their employees - which I can understand, but its probably why they are doing so badly in the first place - because they can't run a business efficiently, and it probably wouldn't matter what OS they were running.
    I don't see it as a question as to whether they can afford the training but whether they are prepared to invest in the training. Unless (or until) it is demonstrated to them that there are real world benefits to adopting Win8 in their business then they are not going to change. We've had more than one Head of IT on these forums state they would not be prepared to recommend Win8 be implemented as it's more problems than it's worth.

    I hope MS does offer an alternative to the Metro UI but as they dug their heels in over the ribbon toolbar for Office I'm not holding my breath and look how many companies (and individuals) are still using Office2003 or have gone open source.

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    Windows 8 enterprise x64


    This bank run his own Fiber network, nothing is connected to the WEB. ( at least not this part of the network) I don't service it. But I service 3 of their branches , they use Laptops for sell insurance and fiscals stuff to their customers, and those laptops are not connected to the bank network, they use the other PC on their desk to do so, it's why I can contract them.
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    The start sreen is a MESS!

    Is there a way to not use it?

    Just the desktop?

    I predicted with ny first use of Win8, that it would not fly.

    It a hinderance in an large office enviroment!

    A Home & Office version is a MUST!

    I know because I have been a top excutive in IT at a very large company on the NYSE.

    I am retired now & running Win8. It is OK for my to play with, but not to be introduced to a large office

    If I introduced Win8 into the office with out the old Win7 desk top I would be fired!

    Tully
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    Vista and Win7


    Some of you said it. The real question is: "Where is the beef". I think the Win8 Metro discussion is only a side discussion. It is not the end of the world and people will get used to it. But business will only move when there is a substantial advantage and new 'must have' function for their operation. And that should be the focus of the discussion.

    I think that MS was probably running short of resources after tackeling the ARM support and the Metro in Win8. We may have to wait for Win9 or Win10 to get the beef.
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    Was not Windows 8 the last Windows ? I'm pretty sure I read someplace they will use another name for the next OS
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  6. #536


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    Quote Originally Posted by area 66 View Post
    Was not Windows 8 the last Windows ? I'm pretty sure I read someplace they will use another name for the next OS
    That would be ashame - and probably a mistake.
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    Quote Originally Posted by area 66 View Post
    Was not Windows 8 the last Windows ? I'm pretty sure I read someplace they will use another name for the next OS
    I think the next name will be either Microsoft Curtains, or Microsoft Drapes.
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  8. #538


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    Windows 10 (64 bit)


    Can an Ex-Microsoftie Fix Windows 8?




    ...The Metro interface, as pointed out on the website, is not only hopeless in and of itself, but its ideals are hopeless. They creep into other aspects of the OS, damaging the computer experience. The inability of the user to figure out what apps are running is the most onerous. Bibik even documents the fact that users have to dig all over the place to see what you have running and what's chewing up the machine cycles. This is probably a dream come true for people who write Trojan code. I'm assuming I'll be headed towards the CTRL+ALT+DEL task manager to see what the heck is going on.

    What to do? What to do? Like I said, it's hard fix what's broken in the marketing department before it breaks. And indeed this is a marketing problem. I think it is great that Microsoft is showing Windows 8 in this pre-release version. I have to assume it's to get the kind of feedback it is receiving from Bibik and others, including myself.
    But as time passes and we approach the launch date, I get the distinct impression that this will be déjà Vista: a lot of carping about the product and constant reminders that it is not as good as the previous Windows, which resulted in the eventual overuse of Windows XP. I still have a couple of machines running XP.

    Full article at:

    Can an Ex-Microsoftie Fix Windows 8? | John C. Dvorak | PCMag.com
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  9. #539


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    Windows 7 Enterprise (x64), Windows 8 Enterprise (x64), Windows Server 2012


    Quote Originally Posted by whest View Post
    When's any business going to speak up in favour of W8? Everywhere I read they can't afford the training for their employees - which I can understand, but its probably why they are doing so badly in the first place - because they can't run a business efficiently, and it probably wouldn't matter what OS they were running. If Microsoft doesn't give in, and return the desktop start menu they going to loose Millions of dollars - wow, and what for? All Microsoft seems to be able to do at this stage is to effectively alienate themselves with the business community and the consumers.
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  10. #540


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    Quote Originally Posted by area 66 View Post
    Until 5 years ago, The major bank here was still running on IBM OS 2, they move to XP. Corporations like uniformity. They don't change for fun.
    True, but I think the bigger reason is cost to upgrade. Last job I was a consultant on was $12,000,000 to MS for software, $50,000,000 for hardware (computers all types) and $15,000,000 for servers and network. $6,000,000 for training. Needless to say they are staying with XP.
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This will be Microsofts biggest ever flop, far bigger than Vista.
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