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This will be Microsofts biggest ever flop, far bigger than Vista.

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    Yeah, this Apple craze is a strange phenomenon that I never understood. They are running like lemmings and probably have the same IQ. And e.g. their iPad3 does not even have some basics like micro SD or mini USB port. Who needs it.
    The problem is you can rubbish them as much as you like about the lack of USb, HDMI or Micro SD or that they are in a walled garden, they will just keep coming up with reasons that it doesnt matter. Whatever Steve Jobs has quoted in the past is good enough for them. Most websites nowadays talk almost nonstop about Apple, every little snippit is news and the Fanboys soak it all up.

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    You sometimes wonder whether these people leave their brains at home. This is like a religion - or even worse.
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    ...Also most people dont really play major games while they are doing other tasks. We grew up with computers, these kids are growing up with iPads, iPhones and Android tablets, they arent necessarily going to gravitate to PC's.
    I would imagine, based on that comment, you don't have children. I have five, two of whom are teenagers. Believe me, they're quite capable of and often will, use all of the applications, described above, simultaneously. They're also more than happy to add 'texting' on their phones to that mix. I'm also not sure where you get the idea about 'gravitating' to PCs. All of my children have PCs and none of them would give them up for a tablet. Playing a fast paced FPS on a 9" tablet doesn't really provide the impact or the pleasure, gained from playing the same game on a 30" monitor.
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    I have four kids, but none of them really took to computing, I build one for my daughter, but she mostly uses it for online shopping and emails and stuff. Seeing as how you're into PC's it's fairly logical that if your kids go into computing they would likely go onto PC's. Certainly for any real serious gamer a powerfull PC is the only way to go.
    Problem is, not everyone has a father with a PC, and a lot of those who dont go to tablets and we all know what tablets they go to. I just saw these figures today.

    • In 2011, tablet shipments reached 68.7 million.
    • In 2012, shipments will be 106.1 million, up from 87.7 million in previous forecast.
    • Apple shipped 15.4 million iPads in Q4*, garnering 55 percent of the global market.
    • Amazon shipped 4.7 million Kindle Fire tablets in Q4, grabbing 16.8 percent.
    • Third-place Samsung grew its share to 5.8 percent in Q4.
    • Barnes & Noble saw its Nook tablet share slip to 3.5 percent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mart4494 View Post
    This has nothing to do with ease of use etc. The hidden MS agenda in all of this is that they see their future income as being linked to downloaded apps and monthly cloud subscriptions.
    One only has to look at the xbox live model to see there is a very large kernel of truth to that. Smaller and continual fees vs a 'one off' purchase (ie OS activation/key or console purchase) is clearly going to create a higher and more sustainable revenue stream.

    They make a loss on each physical console but make up for the shortfall with licensing fees, xbox live Gold subscriptions, other service subscriptions, MS points (credit) etc. On the PC the same ability to charge here, there and everywhere, currently has a much more limited scope to do so.

    The fact that the 'app' market for tablets and phones and peoples willingness to purchase via these 'Stores' has also helped paved the way for MS to follow suit.

    Adopting a similar approach to the PC market is the next logical step unfortunately.





    The fact that Apple do not combine iOS and OSX seems to have gone over their heads. Whether folks like or hate the Metro UI, I hope MS offer an option to the classic desktop as the last thing MS need IMO is to give Apple a clear run on this.
    They seem to have a notion that forcing a unified 'look and functionality' across all MS products will help reinforce brand recognition and overall ease of use.

    Windows 8 is looking more and more like a trial run for not only the tablet/touch capable market, but also as a future revenue business model.

    The fact that the vast majority of GUI complaints could be rectified with simple additions/modifications merely highlights that there is some severe short sightedness hampering a long term outlook.




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    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    ...I just saw these figures today.

    • In 2011, tablet shipments reached 68.7 million.
    • In 2012, shipments will be 106.1 million, up from 87.7 million in previous forecast.
    • Apple shipped 15.4 million iPads in Q4*, garnering 55 percent of the global market.
    • Amazon shipped 4.7 million Kindle Fire tablets in Q4, grabbing 16.8 percent.
    • Third-place Samsung grew its share to 5.8 percent in Q4.
    • Barnes & Noble saw its Nook tablet share slip to 3.5 percent.

    I love the old guys hat.
    Indeed, they're selling like the proverbial hotcakes but have you ever looked at the uses to which they're being put? The primary focus is entertainment, games, ebook reading, social networking and mail. Which is interesting, because when you look at the default Metro screen, it's these same categories that have pride of place. Obviously, this is what Microsoft considers the most important things people will use PCs for and as far as my teenage children are concerned, they're probably right, but not one at a time.
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    Obviously, this is what Microsoft considers the most important things people will use PCs for and as far as my teenage children are concerned, they're probably right
    Unfortunately, I think that the majority of people do use their PC's for all those things, but I really hope Microsoft doesn't forget the hackers, nerds and the business community. I suppose all we can do is wait and see how it all turns out, in the meantime we can either enjoy or otherwise dislike Windows 8.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Calico View Post

    Indeed, they're selling like the proverbial hotcakes but have you ever looked at the uses to which they're being put? The primary focus is entertainment, games, ebook reading, social networking and mail. Which is interesting, because when you look at the default Metro screen, it's these same categories that have pride of place. Obviously, this is what Microsoft considers the most important things people will use PCs for and as far as my teenage children are concerned, they're probably right, but not one at a time.
    I think you've hit the nail on the head and MS want a slice of the action and who can blame them. The money is in downloaded apps and monthly cloud subscriptions. So good luck to MS on that front and try to give Apple a run for their money in this area although think they will have a tough job breaking the mentality. My wife has an iPad and it's good for browsing the news, watching the odd pre-loaded video and checking e-mails but that's about it. It is what it is and like all tablets has severe limitations.
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    My wife has an iPad and it's good for browsing the news, watching the odd pre-loaded video and checking e-mails but that's about it. It is what it is and like all tablets has severe limitations.
    What about Angry Birds, you forgot angry Birds.
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