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This will be Microsofts biggest ever flop, far bigger than Vista.

  1. #501


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    Quote Originally Posted by area 66 View Post

    In few years we are gone use only terminal devices.
    Can't disagree with that but it will be a good few years. Cloud computing is very much in it's infancy and must be 100% reliable and secure before it takes off. 95% is not good enough.

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  2. #502


    Rotterdam, The Netherlands
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    Windows 8 Pro 64-bit, Windows 7 SP1 64-bit, Windows XP SP3 32-bit


    I disagree that we will all be using terminal devices/ thin clients in a few years time, especially at home. I certainly have no plans whatsoever to go down that road. I tend to agree with this standpoint:

    "...Besides, there is another variable in the equation that wasn't much talked about last week. Microsoft released the public beta (ie test) version of Windows 8, the latest version of the venerable operating system. Why is this relevant? Well, history suggests that whenever Microsoft releases a major upgrade to Windows it triggers a spike in PC sales, as companies use the release as a trigger for system upgrades. Some industry observers think that Microsoft will sell more than a billion Windows licences over the next three years. If that happens, we might see a temporary reversal in the decline of PC sales thereby pushing Mr Cook's [Apple's new CEO] crossover point further into the distance.

    Predictions of a post-PC world are just the latest example of what the computer scientist John Seely Brown calls "endism" the idea that a new technology signals the end of an older one. The reality is more mundane. While the newcomer does indeed disrupt things and take over parts of the ecosystem, the established species adjust and retreat to the habitats where they have significant advantages.

    The iPad is great for some things, but hopeless for others. I've had one since its launch in 2010 and I use it every day. It has a terrific battery life, springs instantly to life when opened, is robust and portable and, when fitted with a sim card, provides good connectivity on the move. One could, I suppose, try to write a book, edit a movie or build a big spreadsheet model with it just as one could, in principle, dig the garden with a teaspoon. But you'd be mad to try. The truth about computing is like the truth about steeplechasing: it's always horses for courses."

    The full article can be read here. There is also another article dealing with this here

    On another note, as far the Metro Start Screen is concerned, I always log in to Windows 8 and immediately open my Desktop environment. From that point on I'm never really in the Metro environment, apart from occasionally opening a programme that is not pinned to my desktop taskbar. I do not log in to Windows 8 with my Windows Live account, for searching I use Windows Explorer, which is by default pinned to my desktop taskbar.
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  3. #503


    Ohio
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    I agree with HPDeskjet. The only difference between HP and me is that HP said it so much better than I could.
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  4. #504


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    I remember a few years ago seeing people walking out of computer retailers with trolleys full of thousands of dollars worth of computer stuff. Computer, monitor, printer, virus software and Microsoft Office etc. A lot of these people were completely computer illiterate and would probably never even use the computer for what it was built for.

    People now are less computer literate but a bit smarter as to what they need, now you see people walking out with a tiny box with an iPad and for most people this all they will ever need.

    I own 4 PC's, 3 netbooks, 1 Android tablet and have ordered an iPad 3 thingy. I find I'm using the tablet more all the time, but browsing on the net with it is very slow, hence my purchase of the New iPad.

    I think we're already in a post PC era, I dont mean PC's will die out completely, but they will become less of a need for most people. I'm sure Microsoft already knows this, and have adjusted their strategy accordingly, we'll just have to wait and see if it works
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  5. #505


    Ohio
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    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    I remember a few years ago seeing people walking out of computer retailers with trolleys full of thousands of dollars worth of computer stuff. Computer, monitor, printer, virus software and Microsoft Office etc. A lot of these people were completely computer illiterate and would probably never even use the computer for what it was built for.

    People now are less computer literate but a bit smarter as to what they need, now you see people walking out with a tiny box with an iPad and for most people this all they will ever need.

    I own 4 PC's, 3 netbooks, 1 Android tablet and have ordered an iPad 3 thingy. I find I'm using the tablet more all the time, but browsing on the net with it is very slow, hence my purchase of the New iPad.

    I think we're already in a post PC era, I dont mean PC's will die out completely, but they will become less of a need for most people. I'm sure Microsoft already knows this, and have adjusted their strategy accordingly, we'll just have to wait and see if it works
    I suppose time will tell. My personal opinion is that Win8 is a mistake for MS. But in my 81 years on this earth, I've been wrong plenty of times. I don't think I am this time, but years ago when Elvis Presley started to become popular, I told my wife that he will be just a flash in the pan. I sure was wrong then.
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  6. #506


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    but years ago when Elvis Presley started to become popular, I told my wife that he will be just a flash in the pan. I sure was wrong then.
    I wouldnt be too hard on yourself, a leading expert in the computer industry, said the same thing about PC's many years ago.
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  7. #507


    Posts : 93
    W2K8S R2 STD, W7 ULTIMATE X64


    Hi,

    I think we're already in a post PC era, I dont mean PC's will die out completely, but they will become less of a need for most people. I'm sure Microsoft already knows this, and have adjusted their strategy accordingly, we'll just have to wait and see if it works
    That's only going to happen if and when some device pops up that allows you to do everything that can be done on a pc as it stands now.....

    Maybe we'll call it a CP, who knows?


    As I suggested before, the only way (I can think of) to get rid of the desktop as we know it is to put the bulky parts elsewhere.
    From what I see, some bright minds are trying to put the less capable devices into the desktop. Does that make sense to anyone?

    It certainly doesn't make sense if you'd consider that those same minds want to conquer a share of an already well developped market.
    How exactly do you sell a tablet to someone already running a pc with much of the same capabilities, looks and so on, all of which you sold him already in the first place?

    But, I hear you and I fully agree with you that a lot of home users (or make that home owners) of PCs do not need a PC for what they're using it for.

    That is what the market niche is and you're not going to cut in there by building tablet lookalike OSs to be put on a PC's desktop.


    Just my opinion though, I may well not be singing yet....

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  8. #508


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    Windows 7 x64 Ultimate/Windows 8.1/Linux


    I actually find speculation about the demise of the PC quite amusing. Tablets are fine for certain things but unless one attaches a keyboard and perhaps other peripherals, using them for such things a word processing - I'm not talking about a three line memo - or working with large spreadsheets, creating presentations, editing Audio and video, CAD and so and and so forth, they're just not going to cut the mustard and we haven't even considered gaming. Perhaps when my kids can get tablets with the power of a high-end multi-cored processor with a couple of high-end, crossfired, graphics cards and enough screen real estate to allow, gaming, audio, messaging, social networking all simultaneously, then we can talk. The latter is another reason why, with certain groups, Metro will fail.
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  9. #509


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    Perhaps when my kids can get tablets with the power of a high-end multi-cored processor with a couple of high-end, crossfired, graphics cards and enough screen real estate to allow, gaming, audio, messaging, social networking all simultaneously, then we can talk
    Much as I hate to say this, the iPad is not too far away from that now, except for the screen real estate and simultaneously, and dont forget kids play games on screens as small as 3.5 inches. Also most people dont really play major games while they are doing other tasks. We grew up with computers, these kids are growing up with iPads, iPhones and Android tablets, they arent necessarily going to gravitate to PC's.

    I battle the Apple hordes all the time on other websites, they are not going away, they are getting bigger and they are in love with their Steve Job toys. How often have you seen someone sitting out in the cold overnight waiting for a new PC, never happens. Apple Fanboys will do it just to walk into an Apple Store.
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  10. #510


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    Vista and Win7


    Yeah, this Apple craze is a strange phenomenon that I never understood. They are running like lemmings and probably have the same IQ. And e.g. their iPad3 does not even have some basics like micro SD or mini USB port. Who needs it.
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This will be Microsofts biggest ever flop, far bigger than Vista.
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