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This will be Microsofts biggest ever flop, far bigger than Vista.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    If the guy in the video had a small PDF on the desktop he would have nailed it in two minutes.
    You're probably right, Bill. If MS doesn't include stuff like this when 8 is released (except not this stupid)...

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    ...then MS is full of morons. But that's still not gonna solve their problems because they're gonna run into the circular argument Calico mentioned and I've mentioned and many others have mentioned, which is that a lot of people understand Metro and simply don't like it. What's the point of getting 8 when, if you strip away Metro, it's so close to 7?

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    I don't know what to say anymore Colonel, I'm getting a headache, I'm going to go and lie down. In my opinion MS is fighting for survival, I think they're doing a pretty good job, but obviously I'm wrong, the people have spoken and it doesn't look good.

    I don't think this is rocket science, all it needs is a little guidance, but if people cant grasp it, then Apple has won.
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  3. #493


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    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    What sort of amount of training do you need on Windows 8, it is Windows 7 with a gui on top. A one page PDF in large type, it actually would only take about 3 or four lines just to get the basics, left click, right click, hover mouse in left corner, hover mouse in right corner, two clicks to shutdown, one to get on the desktop.

    Help I'm stuck, can you repeat that please.

    Windows 3.1 to Windows 95 was a lot harder than this.

    If the guy in the video had a small PDF on the desktop he would have nailed it in two minutes.
    You're looking at this from the point of view of a home user with an interest and time to 'play' Unfortunately, this simply doesn't translate to the corporate environment, where it's not just end users, a lot of whom will be resistant to change, it's all the support staff too. You also have to consider the training requirement for applications, both third-party and in-house. You have to consider the time needed to prepare the training material and the loss of productivity whilst people are receiving their training and if you think it stops with a few days training, think again.

    For basic home users, I'm sure they'll get the gist of how to press the big buttons quickly enough and if their personal requirement stops there, all well and good. However, there's 15+ years of ingrained, memory muscled, start button/task bar usage that isn't going to just change, particularly for the less computer literate.
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    Heh, I don't think it's obvious you're wrong, Bill. You make a lot of good points. I think the video with the guy's dad there is kinda funny but it's also kinda misleading because, like you said, 8 isn't hard to understand. It's just different. Whether it's too different no one knows yet. The marketplace will decide, and if they vote thumbs-down, MS isn't gonna let most of the world's PC customers migrate to another OS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    I don't know what to say anymore Colonel, I'm getting a headache, I'm going to go and lie down. In my opinion MS is fighting for survival, I think they're doing a pretty good job, but obviously I'm wrong, the people have spoken and it doesn't look good.

    I don't think this is rocket science, all it needs is a little guidance, but if people cant grasp it, then Apple has won.
    I don't think it's a foregone conclusion that Windows 8 will fail, I personally don't think it will do very well on the desktop, especially amongst existing users of windows. New users, however, are a different matter, as are users of small device platforms. That aside, Windows is no longer Microsoft's main revenue stream, Office is, so even if this version doesn't do fantastically well, they'll not be disappearing any time soon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by area 66 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Lonewolf View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by area 66 View Post


    I have a question for the Windows 8 defenders, experts developers and programers ....... Where is the print button in the Mail Metro App ? Of course a phone OS as no printer Ö. So you told me that if I donít purchase Windows 8 I don't evolve?
    ctrl + p will print in Metro mail.
    So we have to memorize numerous short key to use this new advance OS ?
    No, not at all, it's standard fare from MS DOS days. The keyboard shortcuts have been around, so there is nothing to remember/learn that any user of EVERY past MS O/S knew already. Nothing to do with something new with Windows 8 whatsoever.
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  7. #497


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    actually i like it so far .think i would prefer to see desktop on start up and to see all the inside of the software more easily perhaps just need to get used to it.thought that having programs on desktop meant for slower start up?not a problem so far with very little installed and seems really quick on dual core with 2gb mem.have installed puppy linux and other linux os and really like lightweight size of os and think ms should do the same .am just a hobby user who finds himself helping family and friends fix and use.have v little knowledge compared to most geeks but majority of people have very little knowledge so having v basic interface probably good thing but people should be able to make a choice
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  8. #498


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Lonewolf View Post
    No, not at all, it's standard fare from MS DOS days. The keyboard shortcuts have been around, so there is nothing to remember/learn that any user of EVERY past MS O/S knew already. Nothing to do with something new with Windows 8 whatsoever.
    Get realist and go out your shell, I bet if I go on the street and ask 100 persons how to close Windows with shortcut keys ( alt + F4), no one will know. In the last 17 years Windows as a start menu ( win 95 ) , so it's easy to just click and the majority of peoples never learn the shortcut keys.
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    Quote Originally Posted by area 66 View Post

    Get realist and go out your shell, I bet if I go on the street and ask 100 persons how to close Windows with shortcut keys ( alt + F4), no one will know. at least in the last 20 years Windows as a start menu, was easy to just click and the majority of peoples never learn the shortcut keys.
    This has nothing to do with ease of use etc. The hidden MS agenda in all of this is that they see their future income as being linked to downloaded apps and monthly cloud subscriptions. The fact that Apple do not combine iOS and OSX seems to have gone over their heads. Whether folks like or hate the Metro UI, I hope MS offer an option to the classic desktop as the last thing MS need IMO is to give Apple a clear run on this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mart4494 View Post
    This has nothing to do with ease of use etc. The hidden MS agenda in all of this is that they see their future income as being linked to downloaded apps and monthly cloud subscriptions. .

    Of course I was one of the first to point it. In few years we are gone use only terminal devices. That’s sad for tech like me, the PC will disappear. Even for gaming, they prefer we use consoles.
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This will be Microsofts biggest ever flop, far bigger than Vista.
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