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This will be Microsofts biggest ever flop, far bigger than Vista.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fdegrove View Post
    Hi,

    Quote Originally Posted by area 66 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by fdegrove View Post
    Hi,

    No one says you have to run an OS locally either.....
    Think clouds....

    Cheers,
    Great IDEA, so no more desktop, only cloud terminals. Everything host and rent by Microsoft. Amen, I can close the shop and retire, we will be own by Microsoft.
    As much as I hate to say it but that, exactly that, is what they want in the long run.
    Think Skydrive but BIG, really big.

    Cheers,


    Not interested in the cloud. Neither for file-storage NOR to run progs/apps from.

    If that's the way MS wants to go, I'll be going Linux/open-source programs.
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  3. #473


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    Quote Originally Posted by fdegrove View Post
    Hi,

    Quote Originally Posted by whs View Post
    doing so deprives devices of their identity.
    How do you figure that ?? What 'identity' are you talking about.
    I think what Calico ( derived from calicot?) means is that there is no need to make a desktop look like a mobile phone or tablet for that matter.
    Not that it's impossible (as we all witness) to make a desktop look (and unfortunately also function) like a mobile phone or tablet, there's little point in doing so if you, by the same token (as it stands), limit its usability to that of a tablet or phone.

    Each device is there because it has its "raison d'etre", its identity. Make 'em all alike and you're left with what, I wonder?
    It's not because you can load a mobile or tablet's user interface and apps on a desktop that you should. What they should do is make it possible for all those devices to communicate in some way or another.
    Now that would be convergence without the drawbacks of what they're trying to pull off now IMHO.

    Cheers,
    I understand what you are trying to say. But that is the beauty of Win8 - it is 2 modes of operation in one system.

    You can run the system solely from the desktop or solely from the Metro. For the more advanced crowd, it will peobably be the desktop. But for a user with few requirements, the Metro is probably the easier interface. You clean up the start tiles, pin your programs, folders and URLs and then all you do is click the appropriate tiles. What could be easier. And for the very new beginners, you have someone do it for you. A whole new business opportunity: Metro configerer. LOL
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  4. #474


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    Quote Originally Posted by whs View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by fdegrove View Post
    Hi,

    Quote Originally Posted by whs View Post
    How do you figure that ?? What 'identity' are you talking about.
    I think what Calico ( derived from calicot?) means is that there is no need to make a desktop look like a mobile phone or tablet for that matter.
    Not that it's impossible (as we all witness) to make a desktop look (and unfortunately also function) like a mobile phone or tablet, there's little point in doing so if you, by the same token (as it stands), limit its usability to that of a tablet or phone.

    Each device is there because it has its "raison d'etre", its identity. Make 'em all alike and you're left with what, I wonder?
    It's not because you can load a mobile or tablet's user interface and apps on a desktop that you should. What they should do is make it possible for all those devices to communicate in some way or another.
    Now that would be convergence without the drawbacks of what they're trying to pull off now IMHO.

    Cheers,
    I understand what you are trying to say. But that is the beauty of Win8 - it is 2 modes of operation in one system.
    Indeed. To quote from the ZD article posted in another thread:

    Microsoft has attempted to bold the Metro user interface from the Windows Phone operating into what is essentially Windows 7 and come up with a Frankensteinís monster of a hybrid thatís disjointed and awkward to use.
    You can run the system solely from the desktop or solely from the Metro.
    The problem is you can't, not without employing additional software. You could, of course, pin your most used applications to the desktop or the task bar, but then what's the point of having Metro. Basically, unless you install an application launcher of some sort or use win + r to manually run your applications, you'll be forever switching back and forth between the desktop and the start page.


    For the more advanced crowd, it will peobably be the desktop. But for a user with few requirements, the Metro is probably the easier interface. You clean up the start tiles, pin your programs, folders and URLs and then all you do is click the appropriate tiles. What could be easier. And for the very new beginners, you have someone do it for you. A whole new business opportunity: Metro configerer. LOL
    You've hit the nail on the head, give the users with minimal requirements, a simple interface, with big buttons and completely restrict their access to the useful parts of the OS. Enter Windows 8 Metro Edition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fdegrove View Post
    Hi,

    Quote Originally Posted by whs View Post
    doing so deprives devices of their identity.
    How do you figure that ?? What 'identity' are you talking about.
    I think what Calico ( derived from calicot?) means is that there is no need to make a desktop look like a mobile phone or tablet for that matter.
    Not that it's impossible (as we all witness) to make a desktop look (and unfortunately also function) like a mobile phone or tablet, there's little point in doing so if you, by the same token (as it stands), limit its usability to that of a tablet or phone.

    Each device is there because it has its "raison d'etre", its identity. Make 'em all alike and you're left with what, I wonder?
    It's not because you can load a mobile or tablet's user interface and apps on a desktop that you should. What they should do is make it possible for all those devices to communicate in some way or another.
    Now that would be convergence without the drawbacks of what they're trying to pull off now IMHO.

    Cheers,
    I think I get the gist of what you're saying. But yes, there must a reason for the device. A phone's strength and ability is being uber mobile and being a handy device when you need it. A tablet's strength is being more mobile than a laptop, but still being able to more than a phone, and sometimes as much as a laptop (if that tablet has Windows 8 of course ). A laptop's strength is being able to be a portable desktop. A Desktop’s strength and great ability is being just that, being able to create content and being the uberweapon of multitasking. A gaming console, like the Xbox, its ability is being a home and family's entertainment center and being the place where people can game together. The beauty about Windows 8 and metro design is, is that it unifies them. Each and every single device has their own raison d'etre, but all unified under the similar design of metro that complements each device, from a Windows Phone, a Windows Slate, a Windows laptop, a Windows Desktop, and even potentially a Windows ran Xbox (technically, this is already true).
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  6. #476


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    Basically, unless you install an application launcher of some sort or use win + r to manually run your applications, you'll be forever switching back and forth between the desktop and the start page.
    Well, on my Win7 desktop I launch all my apps from the toolbar (see example in picture) or the Rocket Dock. My start menu is empty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by whs View Post
    Basically, unless you install an application launcher of some sort or use win + r to manually run your applications, you'll be forever switching back and forth between the desktop and the start page.
    Well, on my Win7 desktop I launch all my apps from the toolbar (see example in picture) or the Rocket Dock. My start menu is empty.
    Exactly! If I'm going to do that, why on earth do I need a useless layer of buttons, I'll never use, eating resources. May just as well provide the option to do away with Metro entirely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by fdegrove View Post
    Hi,

    Quote Originally Posted by whs View Post
    How do you figure that ?? What 'identity' are you talking about.
    I think what Calico ( derived from calicot?) means is that there is no need to make a desktop look like a mobile phone or tablet for that matter.
    Not that it's impossible (as we all witness) to make a desktop look (and unfortunately also function) like a mobile phone or tablet, there's little point in doing so if you, by the same token (as it stands), limit its usability to that of a tablet or phone.

    Each device is there because it has its "raison d'etre", its identity. Make 'em all alike and you're left with what, I wonder?
    It's not because you can load a mobile or tablet's user interface and apps on a desktop that you should. What they should do is make it possible for all those devices to communicate in some way or another.
    Now that would be convergence without the drawbacks of what they're trying to pull off now IMHO.

    Cheers,
    ...The beauty about Windows 8 and metro design is, is that it unifies them. Each and every single device has their own raison d'etre, but all unified under the similar design of metro that complements each device, from a Windows Phone, a Windows Slate, a Windows laptop, a Windows Desktop, and even potentially a Windows ran Xbox (technically, this is already true).
    Unfortunately, you've completely missed the point. Slapping the same interface on a device, regardless if it works or not, completely obscures the devices identity.
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    This kind of thread is going on in forums all over the place.

    There seems to be a higher proportion of supporting posts here than on several of the others.

    I am not keen on the intrusivenes of metro, it makes it difficult for the particular things I do.

    That might not apply to everyone.

    Offer it as an option - an additional feature - and everybody is happy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zigzag3143 View Post
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    @ Colonel Travis

    There were also a lot of users, and they were also mainly in the liking camp. From what I've observed just about everywhere, its mainly the business community that seems to be having problems with it. The problem the way they see it is that office workers will not be able to learn this new way of doing things. They dont seem to give their staff much credit I believe, and I think thats wrong. I believe that with a minimum of fuss and just a short memo to staff, they will catch on just as quick as anybody else.
    With all due respect, I would imagine you've never worked in IT, or had anything to do with large scale deployments of new operating systems or applications. Believe me, it doesn't matter how carefully you plan or how much training is given, a lot of users just will not 'get it'. With windows 8 we're talking a complete paradigm shift, so don't expect any but the most brave (or the most stupid) to start deploying Windows 8 any time soon.
    Here, here!

    With a couple of decades of Enterprise level experience I shudder at the thought.

    I personally like and use it but deploying it to more than 5000 users would be suicidal
    +100000 and Here Here!

    Same here with many decades of Enterprise experience making this kind of change would be deadly! Training alone would kill the IT Department! I cannot even think about the help desk calls.
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