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This will be Microsofts biggest ever flop, far bigger than Vista.

  1. #461


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    Quote Originally Posted by whs View Post
    So what do you suggest they do without ending up with several seperate distros.
    You have to make 2 OS, you can't run the desktop in a phone, itís too small. Metro Apps should run in a window, and you start them from the desktop. So I can see my clock, lol.

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  2. #462


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    Hi,

    No one says you have to run an OS locally either.....
    Think clouds....

    Cheers,
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  3. #463


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    Windows 7 x64 Ultimate/Windows 8.1/Linux


    Quote Originally Posted by whs View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Calico View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by whs View Post

    That is an excellent point. Convergence has big advantages for the user and for the manufacturer.

    For the user because he deals with only one interface on a variety of devices - and it is the norm today that people have PCs and mobile devices.

    For the manufacturer because he has to maintain only one base system. That saves them HUGE maintenance cost especially if there will be planned follow-up releases. And anybody who has ever developed operating systems knows that it is impossible to keep multiple OS versions in sync once they are out the door.
    Convergence means coming together, it doesn't mean implementing exactly the same features on every device. Convergence is a good thing, for all the reasons you've mentioned, but there has to be limits. What works well for a small hand held device, doesn't necessarily work well for 30" desktop display.
    So what do you suggest they do without ending up with several seperate distros.
    Well, for a start, they could have taken a leaf out of the Apple play book. Instead of trying to 'wedge' Metro into the desktop environment, which really doesn't work, they could have provided consistency across services. If a user can enjoy the same experience of integrated mail, social media, an apps store or even touch, from one device to another, there's no need to make the OS interface exactly the same. doing so deprives devices of their identity.
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  4. #464


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    doing so deprives devices of their identity.
    How do you figure that ?? What 'identity' are you talking about.
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  5. #465


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    Quote Originally Posted by fdegrove View Post
    Hi,

    No one says you have to run an OS locally either.....
    Think clouds....

    Cheers,
    I'd rather not.
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  6. #466


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    Hi,

    Neither do I but I do see the cloud hanging though....

    Cheers,
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  7. #467


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    Quote Originally Posted by whs View Post
    doing so deprives devices of their identity.
    How do you figure that ?? What 'identity' are you talking about.
    It's the identity that makes a phone a phone and tablet and tablet etc. This is not something I have just invented, it's something being adopted by different vendors, except MS, where convergence is taking place.
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  8. #468


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    Quote Originally Posted by fdegrove View Post
    Hi,

    No one says you have to run an OS locally either.....
    Think clouds....

    Cheers,
    Great IDEA, so no more desktop, only cloud terminals. Everything host and rent by Microsoft. Amen, I can close the shop and retire, we will be own by Microsoft.
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  9. #469


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    Hi,

    Quote Originally Posted by whs View Post
    doing so deprives devices of their identity.
    How do you figure that ?? What 'identity' are you talking about.
    I think what Calico ( derived from calicot?) means is that there is no need to make a desktop look like a mobile phone or tablet for that matter.
    Not that it's impossible (as we all witness) to make a desktop look (and unfortunately also function) like a mobile phone or tablet, there's little point in doing so if you, by the same token (as it stands), limit its usability to that of a tablet or phone.

    Each device is there because it has its "raison d'etre", its identity. Make 'em all alike and you're left with what, I wonder?
    It's not because you can load a mobile or tablet's user interface and apps on a desktop that you should. What they should do is make it possible for all those devices to communicate in some way or another.
    Now that would be convergence without the drawbacks of what they're trying to pull off now IMHO.

    Cheers,
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  10. #470


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    Hi,

    Quote Originally Posted by area 66 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by fdegrove View Post
    Hi,

    No one says you have to run an OS locally either.....
    Think clouds....

    Cheers,
    Great IDEA, so no more desktop, only cloud terminals. Everything host and rent by Microsoft. Amen, I can close the shop and retire, we will be own by Microsoft.
    As much as I hate to say it but that, exactly that, is what they want in the long run.
    Think Skydrive but BIG, really big.

    Cheers,
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