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This will be Microsofts biggest ever flop, far bigger than Vista.

  1. #431


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    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    I dont see how you can just pick out one country for stats, MS, has to cater to the world.
    I don't pick up only 1 country, I choose North America to include Canada and USA , it also include Mexico, but my main interest is the US-Canada market as I don't live in China, India or Russia, So in North America Windows 7 overtake XP , they are no problems with 7 here like you want us to believe

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  2. #432


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    I don't pick up only 1 country, I choose North America to include Canada and USA , it also include Mexico, but my main interest is the US-Canada market
    Well I choose India, Russia, China and Europe, or are you saying Europe doesnt count either. So give me the stats on those countries.

    Tell me 66 what Operating system do you use, and what would you like MS to do.
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  3. #433


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    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    The fact that MS have just published a list of keybiard shortcuts and the talk about having to include various tutorials with the release product, speak volumes about the 'intuitiveness' of the OS. Don't forget, what we're seeing now, is what MS believe is the finished product.
    If people have to go to classes for the iPad, surely a little learning of Windows 8 wouldnt be such a bad thing.
    Education is always a good thing but it really shouldn't be necessary to take lessons, just to find out how to do very basic things, like shutting down or running an application from the desktop. Especially for users of earlier versions of Windows.

    Maybe it is, I mean we've gone fromstick shift to Automatic vehicles.
    That depends which country one lives in

    Dont forget, this is still a very early beta, Microsoft could well be taking all this on board as we speak and make minor adjustments to the system
    Actually, it's not. As I said in my last post, what you see now is what MS believe will ship, sans bugs.

    unless you think Metro is a complete waste of time and needs to be dumped all together.
    Not a complete waste of time but it needs a serious rethink in many areas and for 'serious' desktop users, it should be an option.
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  4. #434


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    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    Tell me 66 what Operating system do you use, and what would you like MS to do.
    Well I have 9 PCs, 3 Workstations equip with VMware WS, 1 iMac , 3 notebook and 1 MacBook, I have 11 servers ( 5 are hyper-v hosts, 3 Esxi ) So I have about every OS on the Market. I own a computer shop since 30 years, I have 11 tech. working for me. Area 66 is the name of my computers lab.


    What I will like MS to do ? Be honest and stop to think only them can live. Be honest with us; Windows 8 is not for the customers itís for MS stocks holders ; The Metro crap is all about money, MS will make 30% profit on the Metro Apps they will sell in their store. Thatís the only reason why they want force US to use it in our desktop. As long as they gone have an App that can run in the desktop and do the job I want, I will not purchase a Metro app, Microsoft get enough money from me and my customers with OS ( PC and Servers) , Offices and Servers Apps.
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  5. #435


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    There are several different market strands/sectors.

    1. I am certain MS will grab a much larger share of the mobile device market than they had before.

    They will be able to claim a resounding victory.

    That will be for 2 reasons:

    a) They have got together with the oem's and some very desirable machines will be coming out. At last, the oem's are catching up with Apple and along with a slew of phones and tablets , the marketplace will be flooded with ultrabooks.

    Those are similar to the mac air book things. Some of them have swivelling screens that you can stand upright, like a tent to watch a movie, etc

    b) Because they are so big - MS will have no trouble working with the oem's to ensure those are available everywhere - "on the shelves" in vast numbers.

    It is the Product ( i.e. the machine ) and the Placement (i.e they will everywhere ) which will do it.

    The os is hardly relevant. People just expect to get a screen with squares that you scroll across. They expect when they jab at one of the squares it will take them to Fbook, etc. As long as it does those things - people won't even think about it.

    2. Those who do not fall into the above category - so called power users - and of course business users - are a different bucket of monkeys.

    The os is important to them - that is where MS may come unstuck.
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  6. #436


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    Last month I bought a new video camera - a JVC, nice camera with touchscreen and all the bells and whistles. I already have 2 video cameras (Sony and Kodak). So I thought I could wing it and operate the camera without reading the manual. No chance - I could not even get one frame on it. I downloaded the detailed instructions and dived in for a couple of hours. Now I can operate the camera - at least basic operation with the default settings.

    What does that teach me - a new modern technical device needs a minimum of training. And an operating system is certainly more complex than a camera - although this one is pretty advanced too.
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    Okay Calico, lets say I agree with what you're saying (and I do with some of it), so MS makes Windows 8 boot straight into the Desktop and brings back the start menu and everything else. In other words just put Metro on top of Windows. Who is going to bother to learn Metro, most people wont even bother with it at all. In other words they might as well not bother.

    Maybe MS (just maybe) is doing it this way to force us to use and learn Metro, and later on when everyone has learnt it, they will give the option to boot into Windows from the start. This is only a guess off course, but it could be part of their plan. The other thing is, this is only the first instance of Metro, maybe there are plans to make it easier to multitask down the track.
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  8. #438


    A Finnish ex-pat in Leipzig, Germany
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    Quote Originally Posted by area 66 View Post
    The title of the tread is ďThis will be Microsoft biggest ever flop, far bigger than Vista.Ē And in this regard, well itís in good direction to be.
    After two weeks of the release of Consumer Preview, and few months after Developer Preview, you simply have nothing to back your words. If Microsoft had listened the opinion of XP generation when Seven was in Beta, it had never been published. Too much said, too early.

    Quote Originally Posted by area 66 View Post
    BEST OPTION; say no to Microsoft, it's not what we want
    Just to clarify this: What gives you right to tell what I want?

    Kari

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  9. #439


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    Quote Originally Posted by whs View Post
    Last month I bought a new video camera - a JVC, nice camera with touchscreen and all the bells and whistles. I already have 2 video cameras (Sony and Kodak). So I thought I could wing it and operate the camera without reading the manual. No chance - I could not even get one frame on it. I downloaded the detailed instructions and dived in for a couple of hours. Now I can operate the camera - at least basic operation with the default settings.

    What does that teach me - a new modern technical device needs a minimum of training. And an operating system is certainly more complex than a camera - although this one is pretty advanced too.
    Not quite the same, it's a different manufacture and a different OS. I'd be the first to suggest training for anyone going from Windows to a Mac or Linux.
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  10. #440


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    Next step ( next Windows) will be to remove the desktop, so everyone will have to purchase apps from the Microsoft Metro Store.
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This will be Microsofts biggest ever flop, far bigger than Vista.
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