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This will be Microsofts biggest ever flop, far bigger than Vista.

  1. #391


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    Windows 8 enterprise x64


    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Lonewolf View Post
    ..... NOW you don't have a way to locally get in front of your PC there to look at your calendar, BUT your phone can SYNC it and you can see your calendar of events for the day. NOW wouldn't that save you a whole lot of downtime, saying if it wasn't possible in doing so?


    Like if you need the actual Windows 8 crap metro start page in the desktop to do so.... Microsoft needs to present something friendlier for common users and more configurable for more advances users.
    Why Microsoft canít understand it will make it easier to put a start icon in the desktop to link to this start page. Thatís totally unacceptable.

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  2. #392


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    Win 7 Pro x64


    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Lonewolf View Post
    NOW you're in Los Angles, and your PC is in your office on the east coast, NOW you don't have a way to locally get in front of your PC there to look at your calendar, BUT your phone can SYNC it and you can see your calendar of events for the day. NOW wouldn't that save you a whole lot of downtime, saying if it wasn't possible in doing so?


    Lets see this work when your PC on the east coast has BSOD'd due to a Windows update. (and no, I'm not an Apple user)

    What does this have to do with the number of PC users from 1995 compared to 2012?

    Like I said, this could end up being a good thing for MS, but it could easily go the other way. The learning curve from WinXP to Win7 wasn't that great. Win7 to Win8 is going to be a nightmare.
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  3. #393


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    W2K8S R2 STD, W7 ULTIMATE X64


    Hi,

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Lonewolf View Post
    acr731 Look at it this way, convergence has always been the better solution. NOW saying IF you PC, and phone had the SAME operating system. wouldn't day to day convergence between the two be more time saving, as opposed to going from one location to another? I'll use calendar in this example. NOW you're in Los Angles, and your PC is in your office on the east coast, NOW you don't have a way to locally get in front of your PC there to look at your calendar, BUT your phone can SYNC it and you can see your calendar of events for the day. NOW wouldn't that save you a whole lot of downtime, saying if it wasn't possible in doing so?
    What makes you think that for two apps to talk to each other they both need to look the same?

    Sorry to say so but 90% of all the apps that come preloaded with W8 belong on either a tablet or a phone or both but no one's waiting for his desltop to look and act as if it were a tablet or are they?

    Offering a desktop interface that comes with the same restrictions of a tiny little screen is going backwards, not forwards IMHO.

    Cheers,
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  4. #394


    Posts : 993
    Windows 8 pro Retail


    Actually it only took the majority of this forum less than a month to learn how the metro menu works, as well as the work around we have discovered. Also there is a start button available for Windows 8 call Vistart. You can download it here. ViStart Free Download

    But for the most part, we want to use the new Metro interface, I, myself am a power user, and this has been a total joy for me.
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  5. #395


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    Windows 8.1 Pro x64/ Windows 7 Ult x64


    Quote Originally Posted by Kari View Post
    Just my 2 cents:


    I'm reading all these complaints about how difficult it is to find something, or how something works on Windows 8 CP. "I am an experienced Windows veteran since version XXX and I can not find this and can not do that", that seems to be a common nominator.

    OK. I am an experienced Windows user, since absolute beginning of Windows. When I first saw Win 8 CP it was clear it is so different than previous versions that even experienced users might need to consult manuals and other written instructions.

    I did so. And now I have absolutely no problems to navigate deeper and deeper on Win 8 CP, find what I need. The point is we should forget now the fact we are "experts" and start instead reading manuals. I know it's cool to brag that "only n00bs read manuals, I do not need them for I am a pro", but it's wrong attitude.

    Control Panel cannot be found:BS! Can not hibernate: BS! Can not change this or that: BS!

    Stop complaining. Read.

    - Windows 8 Consumer Preview
    - Windows 8 Consumer Preview Guide (pdf)

    Kari
    +1


    It's not that difficult, you can easily set it up to not use the Metro start screen more than once a day, for those that don't like it.
    If it was Win7 SP3, then there would be just as many discussing why they don't like it and won't use it.
    Change is inevitable, but it doesn't mean you have to, many used XP for 10 years or more.
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  6. #396


    Germany/Florida
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    Vista and Win7


    you can easily set it up to not use the Metro start screen more than once a day
    You can also set it up so that you hardly ever use the desktop - at least for the majority of the users. Geeks may still want the desktop.
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  7. #397


    Posts : 828
    Windows 7 x64 Ultimate/Windows 8.1/Linux


    Quote Originally Posted by whs View Post
    you can easily set it up to not use the Metro start screen more than once a day
    ...Geeks may still want the desktop.
    Or maybe 'normal' users who wish to have more than two applications running simultaneously.
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  8. #398


    Posts : 1,308
    Windows 8 enterprise x64


    Quote Originally Posted by whs View Post
    you can easily set it up to not use the Metro start screen more than once a day
    You can also set it up so that you hardly ever use the desktop - at least for the majority of the users. Geeks may still want the desktop.
    Wow let me guess; you never work in an office ? If you launch Word, it go to the desktop, of course offices workers are a minority. always the same "as long as it's good for me"
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  9. #399


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    7/8/ubuntu/Linux Deepin


    I keep trying to like it.

    I boot in full of hope that there will be a revelation.

    I can still only stand it in small doses.
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  10. #400


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    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    There is a reason why Microsoft decided on a Start Screen so people can ACTUALLY get rid of their crap, and not let it bloat up one way or another.
    Huh? You can have as much or as little clutter in the Start Menu as you like. Same with Metro. The difference is that Metro is always in your face (unless you somehow turn it off) and the Start Menu isn't.

    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    People have been scrolling up and down because that's how it's always been. And people really don't read up and down, they read left to right or right to left depending on the language.
    Where did I say people read up and down? That's not what I said at all. What I mentioned was the horizontal/vertical ratio of words on a page. Same principle applies to words on a screen, because it's a design principle that's been in effect since human beings have been writing. Stuff that lasts that long doesn't happen "just because." Read some typography books, study layout design. If you can't do that, at least read this dumb Wikipedia page. What I just typed doesn't mean there are no other forms anyone can follow, you must always go by set rules, blah, blah, blah. It's easier to read a horizontal license plate than a vertical one. I prefer a widescreen movie to one with an aspect ratio of 1.33:1. I prefer a widescreen monitor. But it's not easier to read a paragraph that's wider than it is longer, which is why computer screens scroll up and down. I don't find it more efficient finding icons in a wide field that scrolls off the screen L-R, unless - like I already said - you're using a phone or tablet, which needs that kind of scrolling, and even when I do scroll I am always thinking - I wish I had a bigger damn screen.

    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    If left to the devices of said power users, we'd still be using the classic design of Windows that Microsoft gladly left a good decade ago I'd bet.


    No we wouldn't because it's never happened in the history of operating systems. An OS is a tool but it's not a tool like a hammer. Would you change the design of a hammer? No, because it does (more or less) one thing. An OS not only does a gazillion things, it does a gazillion things in the electronic world, which is always evolving, which means the OS must evolve with it.

    C'mon, you're not putting as much thought into this stuff as you think.
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