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This will be Microsofts biggest ever flop, far bigger than Vista.

  1. #31


    Posts : 59
    Windows 8 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
    • Opening the "Task Manager" every time you want to kill an app.
    Why do I keep reading this when it has been posted several times about the various (simple) ways of closing apps. The easiest is to right-click in the left hand list and click on close!

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  2. #32


    Posts : 19
    Windows 7 Home Premium


    If your just an average user (like me) this is just a very frustrating experience.
    If this is what the final product is going to be, I will not recommend it or buy it
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  3. #33


    Quote from lehnerus2000
    " It took ages to find "System Information".

    I ended up creating a txt file and changing the extension to "nfo".
    Then while "System Information" was complaining about the file, I opened the "Task Manager" and checked which processes were running.
    It turns out it is called "msinfo32.exe".

    The Metro screen search returned no results, until I typed in "msinfo32". "

    I tried in Search typing System and could find System Information immediately, I understand it takes time to get used to the new OS but believe me, it's a nice OS shame about the fish.Click image for larger version
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  4. #34


    System information = Windows button + Q 4th row second one down, right under System Configuration. Hit Windows button twice to get back to desktop. Didn't seem very hard for me just different than it use to be.
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  5. #35


    Earth - I wish I was on Risa
    Posts : 78
    Windows 7 Enterprise (x64), Windows 8 Enterprise (x64), Windows Server 2012


    Let’s look at this from a corporate view.

    I install Windows 8 CP on fast desktop machine in the lab (No install issues all hardware found). After installing it with a completely open mind I checked it out. The tech in me wanted this to be super fun and since most IT people love puzzles I would not be unhappy with finding all the new ways to do what you do in windows. Mind you I have been part of Eight Forums for a while; I have access to Windows 8 RC so I have already done other testing so I already knew a bit about Windows 8 CP. After about an hour I did become frustrated with many of the complains in this thread. For the life of me I could not remember or re-figure out how to end an application without using the task manager. Somehow I remembered that dragging it to the bottom of the screen exits the software (Humm, law suit isn’t that Mac like, dragging to the trash). All said and done I do not like the Metro IU. Why?

    1 Doesn’t Metro UI do just what MS wanted to get rid of? In XP they want everyone to stop using icons on the desktop and even reminded you of unused icons every 60 days. Metro UI is just a desktop full of icons so now we can use them???
    2 Poor looking icons, poor colors, and ugly fish screen, just not appealing in any way. (I agree with the analogy of 2bit graphics in comments above)
    3 no first logon help, Windows XP gave you the help bubbles, while I don’t like these normally I do think this would be a great help for Metro UI, for experienced (as Windows 8 becomes used more) users you should be able to very easily dismiss the help bubbles forever.
    4 MS hiding more and more of the underlying OS does bother me, but that is me.
    5 Making an email logon as the default way to log on, what are you Google now? Google forces you to have a gmail account for everything now-a-days. I see Microsoft heading this way. The part that worries me is what if you don’t have an internet connection for an extend period of time, did MS think of that?

    Ok that is my short list but that is me I am an IT guy. What about other IT people. I then moved the machine to a common area and asked many other IT people to check it out and let me know by the end of the day what they thought. I also found some other staff in the surrounding buildings I wanted a good cross sample of people so I found, accountants, record keepers, archive staff, engineering staff, maintenance staff (landscape and cleaning crew), etc. FYI the cleaning crews do not use computers. How do I know this, they don’t have corporate accounts I checked and I talk to them daily many are my friends and I have found that they do not have computers at home.

    So let the testing begin.

    IT staff everyone was very disappointed and did not like Windows 8 CP. The complains are what many are complaining about in this thread. The programmers seemed to be the most vocal about it complaining about everything stating that if we move to Windows 8 they will ban together and go straight to the VP to keep Windows 7 asking for someone to be held accountable for making their job a million times harder. (UGH!) Ok, Ok, I did not see it as that bad, wow eye opener.

    Non-IT staff most were confused could not navigate and bombarded anyone and everyone with thousands of questions on how to do the basic stuff. My take on this is that if we were to adopt Windows 8 (when released) we would have a training nightmare on our hands.

    Maintenance people (non computers users or owners), many found it ok, but could not do anything with it or much with it. They just gave up after 5 minutes and walked away. They could not figure out how any of it worked, they could not even get to the internet and look things up even though they had at least one time used a web browser for something in the past. Even the maintenance staff that have Android phones and love the internet on them but could not get the internet to work in Windows 8 CP. After talking with them most had no option, really didn’t care, or said it just was not for them. Several said if they were going to get a computer they would just get a Windows 7 machine because at least that seemed easier after watching their kids on computers at school.

    What does all this mean, well for us it is just a test but the IT Department will not jump right to Windows 8 we will have to test and test, plus I think we hope that MS will review lots of feedback and re-think some things. I think the ability to use Metro UI or the standard Windows 7 interface is a must. Making the local account the standard way of using the system and email optional is also the better way to go. With those 2 things I think that Windows 8 has a chance in the corporate world. I say this with a huge but, we are still deploying Windows 7 and moving from Windows XP. We probably have 2 more years to get the entire inventory of computer converted to Windows XP. Windows 8 will most likely be a skipped OS because of cost to upgrade and the huge expense to deploy. Just my two cents! -WS
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  6. #36


    Posts : 239
    Win7 & 8 64bit / Linux Mint 14


    I have to agree with WindowsStar on this. I can pin all my regular programs to the taskbar or start menu. One or two clicks and the program fires up. If I want to leave it running then I simply minimise it. Good point about the email login and that will be one of the killers. I hope MS sort this out as if they don't and get poor media publicity as was mentioned elsewhere by a poster then their market reputation will really take a dive and they can do without another Vista. Sure they can try and force it via the OEM's but it won't take long before the buyers start screaming
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  7. #37



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    Helsinki
    Posts : 340
    Windows 7 x64 Home Premium / Commodore OS Vision / Windows 8 Release preview


    Keep in mind, that Metro user interface () is on it's baby steps, there will be bugs... bad bugs... but keep in mind, this thing has potential and lots of it.

    Also, it can't be vista II why? Vista was perferct! the only thing wast that people still were tunning on 2Ghz dual core cpu's and 1-3gb ram that made it so bad, but after so much cleaning the vista's interface is fixed, it's actually more better in windows 8 than in seven, because microsoft has tweaked it during windows 8 developing.

    Only reason why people hate vista is because everyone agrees, it's easy. I can say that apple is overpriced c*ap, and everyone agrees, but still they have i Pods phones and tabs...
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  8. #38


    Posts : 239
    Win7 & 8 64bit / Linux Mint 14


    Quote Originally Posted by Kynix View Post
    Keep in mind, that Metro user interface () is on it's baby steps, there will be bugs... bad bugs... but keep in mind, this thing has potential and lots of it.

    Also, it can't be vista II why? Vista was perferct! the only thing wast that people still were tunning on 2Ghz dual core cpu's and 1-3gb ram that made it so bad, but after so much cleaning the vista's interface is fixed, it's actually more better in windows 8 than in seven, because microsoft has tweaked it during windows 8 developing.

    Only reason why people hate vista is because everyone agrees, it's easy. I can say that apple is overpriced c*ap, and everyone agrees, but still they have i Pods phones and tabs...
    Vista got hammered by the press as MS understated the hardware horsepower required for it to run acceptably. Okay, once you slimmed the program down as many did then it was okay. But in the meantime mud (or something else) sticks. I personally don't think Apple stuff is c**p or even overpriced. If it works for you then fine, it's your money. What I object to is that Apple appear to be control freaks. Irrespective as to whether you like the Metro UI or not, MS seem determined to push everyone towards cloud computing as that's where the future profits are.
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  9. #39


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    7/8/ubuntu/Linux Deepin


    LOL.

    It is aimed at the average user with average needs.

    There is more than that - but because they have skewed the interface to the average user - it is a pain to use for everyone else.


    Quote Originally Posted by HPDeskjet View Post
    Start Screen.Why do I now have to scroll sideways for about 3 miles in order to find the programme or app I don't happen to have pinned to my desktop? That is fine for a tablet or mobile but nonsensical for a desktop. WHERE IS THE START BUTTON on the desktop? Oh yes, someone at MS thought it would a great step forward to remove it. Cretins.
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  10. #40


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    vista ultimate


    It's purely ugly, and archaic, seems that MS wants to abandone its good will that it made with WIN7.

    I have used vista for well over 4 years and havent had a problem, tried win7 and found its vista without balls, but still user friendly and not a nightmare, would say to anyone yes use win7,, but this has me feeling ill from the get go, and by no meens makes me want to say yes use this nightmare.

    It looks to me that this is for a mobile user, and thats all, it wont make Vista/Win7 obsolete.
    My first thoughts were,,OMG what have they done, stupid stupid stupid, was the only other thoughts that I had.

    Ugly, turned my computer into a vomit box, I'm scrubbing my computer with hospital grade disinfection asap.
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