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This will be Microsofts biggest ever flop, far bigger than Vista.

  1. #311


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    Quote Originally Posted by whs View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Tully View Post
    I am 83 & at first was confused with Win8, but as I use it I am beginng to use it more.
    I have Win8 on a serparte desktop.

    I think people who help the "Elderly" are "cool".

    Programmers pay little attention to them.

    For instance, I am hard of hearing & have poor eyesight, a normal "elderly person".

    Recently I tried to register on an MS site & was required to enter the "picture code". I could not decifer the code because of poor sight. It offered to say it in audio, but I am hard of hearing!

    It took a long time changing the "Picture Code" displyed to finally get the right interpretation, even with my wife's (also 83) help.

    Programmers are a very "Anti Elderly" without thnking, group. They can't program "out of the box".

    Tully
    I am not your age yet but at age 74 I am no spring chicken either. My problem is seeing what is on the screen because I have only 20/60 vision (Macula degeneration). But I found quite a few nice settings in the system that improve things considerably. And as a last resort you can always go with a high contrast skin (see picture). I use that a lot on my laptops because the screen is so small. If you want some tips, post back.

    Attachment 4118
    Hi there
    the Microsoft Laser mouse has a great magnification feature

    Ms wireless laser mouse 500 or similar.

    Cheers
    jimbo

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  2. #312


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    Vista and Win7


    Interesting. I use the system magnifier.

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  3. #313


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    I just have to say I totally agree with HPDeskjet. I have just started evaluating Windows 8 for our IT department in a government facility. There is no way this will ever work on any of our desktop pcs. This should be marketed ONLY as a Touchpad or WinPad OS and even then, I see problems. Thanks for all your great input.. Glad to see I am not alone. cethaemert
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  4. #314


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    Windows 8 Customer Preview


    Have been using Windows 8 Consumer Preview for several days (upgraded from Windows 7), and have read forums for hints tips shortcuts etc. Finally have it set up pretty well on my laptop.

    But there is one major thing that really has me baffled beyond belief. The Metro desktop doesn't do windows!!! Microsoft is making Windows non-windowed? Unless you bounce to the old style desktop. The "magic" of Windows on a nice big screen is having multiple programs open at once in various windows and moving from one to the other easily. I don't get it. I have an iPad2 and love it, and understand that the Windows 8 experience on a tablet will eventually be similar. Of course the iPad doesn't do windows either. Maybe that concept isn't appropriate for a tablet, but Windows 8 is meant for PCs as well.

    But Windows without windows?

    I find myself using the old style desktop most of the time. I have installed and tried many of the free Metro apps, and most of them simply are not appealing. For instance Evernote on my iPad and laptop is fantastic, but the Metro version is positively dreadful and unusable. I assume this was a first attempt to create a Metro version of the app and that it will eventualy be as good as or better than the iPad app.

    While keeping an open mind understanding this is not the final release, so far I am not overwhelmed. But on the bright side every part of my laptop, all devices and every one of my applications work fine with one exception and I found a somewhat tedious work around that even got that app working properly.

    For me at this point, Metro on a PC doesn't cut it. And based on my experience with my iPad2 for the past year, the Metro desktop is not as intuitive or efficient. When I move app icons on my iPad, they go where I want them to go. On Metro they bounce all over the place and change positions of icons I had the way I wanted them, very frustrating. And unless I missed something, I cannot make folders of app icons as on my iPad. The endless scrolling side to side to try to locate an app out of say 200 eventually is going to be BRUTAL in Metro. But again, I accept that this is not the final release and all these comments from previewers is what Microsoft wants and needs to hear. I do like the live icon feature for weather and the stock market apps. And so far Windows 8 has been rock solid for me.
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  5. #315


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    Windows 8 Customer Preview


    A tutorial would have eliminated 90% of the concerns I've seen. Certainly there will be one in the Final Release, but there should have been something to help previewers get oriented and find their way around. The main thing I would like is to be able to start in the standard desktop mode rather than Metro, but then again it is just a click away right now and it will probably be doable in the end product.

    So far it installed perfectly, all but one minor app worked, all devices worked and it has been running rock solid. My overall opinion? This is a cleaned-up Windows 7 base platform with the Metro UI slapped on top. But bring back the darn Start button on the old desktop.

    What is my major concern as a retired IT guy and someone who helps friends who have mucked up their system? PLEASE get rid of that uninstall option when you right click on a Metro app. I dread to think of what such a simple uninstall capability is going to do in the hands of many users. ARGH!!!

    Will I buy the final release of Windows 8 for this laptop? Yup, you bet!

    Will I be a happy camper with the final release on my old laptop and using my familiar trustworthy applications? Yup, could keep me content for a couple more years - or until the laptop kicks the bucket!

    Is it an upgrade I would recommend to the average home user who is content with Windows 7? Nope!

    Would I push to replace Windows 7 on my network if I was still in IT? Nope! Not for at least a year or so. On top of the obvious IT concerns, I would give it that much time for many workers to experience Windows 8 on their home devices to cut down on training time and user frustration.

    Would I run out to buy a Windows 8 tablet? Nope! Happy with my iPad2. Metro UI and most of the apps I've tried so far pale in comparison. But it will be interesting to watch the evolution of Metro apps.

    Would I eventually replace my current Windows laptop with a new one sporting Windows 8? That depends on how well Apple blends IOS features into Mountain Lion OS due out this summer which might make a switch to a MacPro enticing. And of course on how well PC manufacturers produce hardware to handle Metro. Time will tell.
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  6. #316


    Earth - I wish I was on Risa
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    Windows 7 Enterprise (x64), Windows 8 Enterprise (x64), Windows Server 2012


    Quote Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by WindowsStar View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post

    Look at the various "Windows Explorer Scroll Bug" threads on the MS sites.
    People were complaining that MS ignored them during W7 testing.
    Apparently one of the bugs pre-dated the Vista RTM.

    People are still complaining about W7 today.
    Here's a comment from the 3rd of March 2012
    Turtle
    Checked your link, what is the complaint?
    So you read that person's comment? Really?

    Posted Saturday 3rd March 2012 12:29 GMT

    Talkin' 'bout De-g-g-g-generation

    ...
    Although I have not tried Windows 8, judging by the article, it will most likely serve as proof that the most difficult thing to design is a useful UI. The Vista and WIn 7 UI's were so bad, as far as I am concerned, that I am still using XP. To be fair, however, my major complaints were not addressed in the article (bizarre desktop clicking behavior, unusable Windows Explorer, unusable search function, etc.)
    I guess I don't look at that as a complaint. It reads as a personal preference.
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  7. #317


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    Windows 7 Enterprise (x64), Windows 8 Enterprise (x64), Windows Server 2012


    Quote Originally Posted by Bluesmanuk View Post
    As an IT Manager I can say that after testing the customer preview, I will not be recommending it's installation across the company until there is an option that allows users to continue to use Windows just as they usually do and have a chance to use or migrate to Metro when WE need it, NOT Microsoft.

    The cost of training, the user frustration and efficiency lost will potentially put off a great many businesses.

    Whilst under the bonnet (hood), things may well work faster and with greater efficiency, the interface is simply atrocious, not intuitive and will IMO prove to be a great undoing for Microsoft if they continue bullishly in one direction, simply choosing to ignore what so many are telling them.

    It surely can't take much effort to build in the option to choose between two potential interfaces?

    On a Tablet or Phone, Metro may well work wonderfully and I do get the idea of integration across platforms.

    But this should come with a choice for laptop and desktop users.

    After all, how many of us are likely to migrate to a Windows phone from our trusty and already easy to use iphone and Android models?

    Be very careful Microsoft.

    This could really break the bank and the Company.
    +1

    I also think there should be an EASY option to pick Metro or the standard UI.
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  8. #318


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    Fair enough


    Quote Originally Posted by Vertex View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    Tully, great going old timer, I just hope I can still see my computer let alone read the monitor at your age, there are settings especially for people with hearing and sight difficulties.

    I think its about time this thread was closed down considering the guy "DeskJet" is now a Windows 8 lover. I would consider this solved, what do moderators think.
    I think there would be people starting a thread like this somewhere for an indefinite period of time as long as the critics of Metro's design exist and even those with mixed opinions. You are just way too confident of Windows 8 superiority.
    Windows 8 app to bring back Start menu on desktop

    Quote Originally Posted by WindowsStar View Post
    I guess I don't look at that as a complaint. It reads as a personal preference.
    It wasn't specified that the complaints had to be "valid".

    As far as I can tell, most complaints are merely personal preference (cars, gadgets, software, etc.).
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  9. #319


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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel Travis View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by J4rrod View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by HPDeskjet View Post
    Start Screen.Why do I now have to scroll sideways for about 3 miles in order to find the programme or app I don't happen to have pinned to my desktop? That is fine for a tablet or mobile but nonsensical for a desktop. WHERE IS THE START BUTTON on the desktop? Oh yes, someone at MS thought it would a great step forward to remove it. Cretins.
    You lost all credibility right here. This doesn't even make sense.

    Also the Start button is always in the right corner, you just got to hover over it.
    J4rrod, he lost no credibility.

    1.) Yes, you hover over the right corner. That's not a button. It's really and actually not there any more, which is why you have companies already developing things to bring it back.
    2.) The horizontal scrolling is fine for a phone and tablet, horrible for a desktop/mouse user.
    I don't bother with the scrolling. I do like always, put the things I use most on the desktop. Finding apps is easier now I think, because instead of scrolling down through a list of folders names, I right click, select All Apps and see the actual applications instead of trying to remember who makes Virtual Clone or Mobile Noter.
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    windows 8 consumer preview


    Quote Originally Posted by BobLenx View Post
    Have been using Windows 8 Consumer Preview for several days (upgraded from Windows 7), and have read forums for hints tips shortcuts etc. Finally have it set up pretty well on my laptop.

    But there is one major thing that really has me baffled beyond belief. The Metro desktop doesn't do windows!!! Microsoft is making Windows non-windowed? Unless you bounce to the old style desktop. The "magic" of Windows on a nice big screen is having multiple programs open at once in various windows and moving from one to the other easily. I don't get it. I have an iPad2 and love it, and understand that the Windows 8 experience on a tablet will eventually be similar. Of course the iPad doesn't do windows either. Maybe that concept isn't appropriate for a tablet, but Windows 8 is meant for PCs as well.

    But Windows without windows?
    .
    i found that if you click the top left corner of the screen you can flip through your metro apps and desktop.
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