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This will be Microsofts biggest ever flop, far bigger than Vista.

  1. #21


    Adelaide
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    Yes and No


    Quote Originally Posted by HPDeskjet View Post
    It may all still be there but 9 times out out of 10 you have be a clairvoyant to find it in the first place, like just typing ' Network' in the start screen for example. I'm an experienced Windows user, I've been using Windows since Windows 95 and this OS is like wading through treacle to find out simple things, where they are and how they work. I've never known anything like it.
    It took ages to find "System Information".

    I ended up creating a txt file and changing the extension to "nfo".
    Then while "System Information" was complaining about the file, I opened the "Task Manager" and checked which processes were running.
    It turns out it is called "msinfo32.exe".

    The Metro screen search returned no results, until I typed in "msinfo32".

    Quote Originally Posted by HPDeskjet View Post
    For your average Windows user and not so experienced user this OS is going to be a nightmare to work out how to use on a desktop computer.
    I'm not sure I entirely agree with this bit though.

    People who know nothing about Windows, won't be inconvenienced by Metro.
    It will probably be easier for Help Desk people, as they can say "type this ...".

    Intermediate and Expert users, will have the most problems.
    They know where to find tools in XP, Vista and W7, but it's a nightmare to get to them in W8.

    For example:
    • Two separate "Control Panels".
    • The never-ending swapping to the Metro screen, to search for things.
    • Opening the "Task Manager" every time you want to kill an app.


    I always set my "Taskbar" to single row and small icons.
    If I was forced to use this OS, I'd have to set a triple height "Taskbar" and pin every program to it, so that I could avoid going back to that Metro screen.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jav View Post
    Your average user is loving all dumbed down stuff. And it feels intuitive for them...
    It's probably because they are used to "flailing around wildly".

    Quote Originally Posted by Jav View Post
    You do realise that you can easily unpin those Metro apps that none cares about?
    Each one individually, one at a time.
    That's far easier than just deleting a folder.

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  2. #22


    Nashville, TN
    Posts : 51
    Windows 7 Ultimate Signature Edition


    Just a tip that I haven't noticed getting much attention. if you want a particular program to launch from the start menu just begin typing out it's name. This of course is much faster than scrolling through a long list of programs in previous versions, or tiles in 8.
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  3. #23


    If Microsoft see's enough of these complaints they will have to listen.

    It wouldn't be too difficult to set up a classic PC mode which would retain the old style start menu. The Metro UI needs to have an optional button as well because it's really more of an I-pad or touch screen for a phone interface. Some of those Apps are pretty cool actually.

    If you think about it Msoft really had no other option but to create the Metro interface in order to compete with the other touch screen Op systems. They just need the option for a classic start screen and have an optional Metro UI. If they don't then third party software will be reaping the rewards.

    I'm not so sure I like having to sign in with my windows live account every time I start up so they should make that optional as well.

    Once your at the desk top navigating between Metro/Apps is much faster using the Windows key, Windows key + Q or Windows key + C.

    There simply needs to be options for all these controls rather than forcing everyone to do it the new "slower" way. That would appease the masses yet still retain the option for a fully functional touch screen Op system.
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  4. #24


    Quote Originally Posted by Tully View Post

    Does the Eamil have to be working to log in?

    How do I get back into my system?

    Tully
    I had the same problem when first signing in, the solution was to use my "Windows Live" password. I think I'm adjusting well to the new Metro style. I do wish for a "shutdown" tile myself though.
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  5. #25


    Quote Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
    Each one individually, one at a time.
    That's far easier than just deleting a folder.
    Just a tip, if you didn't notice:
    You can right click several tiles (icons) and click clear only once to mass delete.
    Still slower than deleting folder, but at least faster than deleting each one individually

    Quote Originally Posted by chev65 View Post
    I'm not so sure I like having to sign in with my windows live account every time I start up so they should make that optional as well.
    It is optional. There is an option to create a local account
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  6. #26


    Rotterdam, The Netherlands
    Posts : 117
    Windows 8 Pro 64-bit, Windows 7 SP1 64-bit, Windows XP SP3 32-bit


    Being able to group different apps and programmes under one tile/ folder would have been nice. Then again, if MS had gone down that road they would've been accused of copying iOS. This is also one of the main gripes I and many others have with Windows Phone Mango [I have an HTC Radar Windows Phone]. It's all scroll, scroll, scroll, scroll, scroll, scroll on Mango sometimes before you get to the app you want. On an iPhone or Android that's not always the case because you can group various apps in one folder in a logical manner. Less scrolling around.

    That said, Windows 8 CP seems a lot more stable than the release candidate versions of Windows 7. It hasn't yet crashed on me or served up a BSOD. I also have working drivers for all of my hardware and all of the programmes I use in Windows 7 work just as well in 8. Even my Creative Sound Blaster X-FI Extreme Audio card works fine, having its drivers automatically downloaded and installed on first start-up of Windows 8 CP. Just put the old Start button back on the desktop screen taskbar and that'll fix most of my annoyance with the CP release of Windows 8. If I want to go back in to the Metro start screen to open an app I then have the option of doing it, scrolling for miles and miles included. Taking the Start button away completely will not help Windows 8's chances of being a success in the real world, few companies will bother with it. Completely removing the Start button from the desktop screen taskbar is going to be a humongous blunder.

    I refuse to write Windows 8 off completely though as this is the Consumer Preview. I'm sure that others here will discover lots of tips and easy ways of doing things. I only hope that they share them all here. I also take it for granted that MS will be taking a lot of comments here, and elswhere, very seriously indeed. Windows Phone hasn't taken off and if Windows 8 fails they're going to be in big trouble as a company. They can't rely on Office being sold to large corporations to bring in the money any more. That's all that MS will be left with if this fails like Windows Phone seems to be doing. How much market share does Windows Phone have? Hardly any, and what it has managed is way below expectation.

    Don't forget that Windows 7 is an excellent and stable operating system. It will be very difficult for Microsoft to convince people to buy Windows 8, especially if it's deemed too user unfriendly, or complicated, to use on current desktop PC's or laptops. Not everyone will be rushing out to buy a new tablet that runs Window 8, especially considering the current economic climate. If the end user experience on their current hardware [PC or laptop] is not a good one people will be furious with MS. If Windows 8 starts to get a bad name for itself its had it and will become Vista II. That though depends a lot on how the media react to it. We all know how the media killed Vista through negative reporting.
    Last edited by HPDeskjet; 02 Mar 2012 at 13:39.
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  7. #27


    Posts : 17
    Windows 8 Consumer Preview


    Quote Originally Posted by HPDeskjet View Post
    Being able to group different apps and programmes under one tile/ folder would have been nice.
    Click the semantic-zoom icon in the lower right, then drag your "apps and programmes" to a new group and rightclick it to give it a name.
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  8. #28


    Rotterdam, The Netherlands
    Posts : 117
    Windows 8 Pro 64-bit, Windows 7 SP1 64-bit, Windows XP SP3 32-bit


    Quote Originally Posted by Ketsuban View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by HPDeskjet View Post
    Being able to group different apps and programmes under one tile/ folder would have been nice.
    Click the semantic-zoom icon in the lower right, then drag your "apps and programmes" to a new group and rightclick it to give it a name.
    Thanks for that, but it's not exactly what I'm after. I've already grouped them and named them. Being able to file several apps under one single tile is what I would prefer, just as it's possible to do on an iPhone, iPad or Android device. Saves space.
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  9. #29


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    windows 8


    I disagree with you in almost everything you say. If you want all the option you have in the control panel of windows 7 all you have to do is click on the top lefthand corner, go to settings, and change the "show administrative tools" from no to yes. All the things you complain about can be found that way and even a monkey could realize that. The power button is poorly placed but it is only a matter of clicking on the settings option that appears when you click the top left corner and there you will find the power option.

    Most of the comments in this thread are, in my opinion, written by people who didn't even give windows 8 a chance. all the bugs you complain about are aeasy to sort and in my opinion improvements from the last windows. All you have to do is give it a chance and explore the OS.
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  10. #30


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    Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1 + Windows 8.1 Pro with WMC x86


    I do think that when I don't like this they should be very worried. Hell, I even liked Vista (especially when I upgraded from 1 to 2GB RAM ). I'm writing this from Windows 7. There's no 'new stuff pull' guys; too many yikes!
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