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This will be Microsofts biggest ever flop, far bigger than Vista.

  1. #211


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    Those stupid menu on each side of the screen, I hope they gone have something for disable person, I can’t see someone with a shaking hand try to grab the top of a Metro apps for close it.
    Use Win+Ctl+Tab on the Apps page or the task manager otherwise.

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  2. #212


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    windows 8 consumer preview


    i don't think they are too worried about server, since they are pushing Powershell for administration.
    This is what the betas are for. let them know you think it's a mistake for desktops. i'm hoping that they work the start menu registry hack back in so we can have a choice. But like I said earlier I'm on a tablet and with 8 and I'm getting around just fine. I work at a large doctor's office and some of the doctors want to be able to use tablets, so they can carry them into the exam rooms. The software only supports Windows, so this is the way they would have to go. They are used to thier Ipads so the Metro UI probably won't be that big of a deal.
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  3. #213



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    Quote Originally Posted by chev65 View Post
    If Microsoft see's enough of these complaints they will have to listen.

    It wouldn't be too difficult to set up a classic PC mode which would retain the old style start menu. The Metro UI needs to have an optional button as well because it's really more of an I-pad or touch screen for a phone interface. Some of those Apps are pretty cool actually.

    If you think about it Msoft really had no other option but to create the Metro interface in order to compete with the other touch screen Op systems. They just need the option for a classic start screen and have an optional Metro UI. If they don't then third party software will be reaping the rewards.

    I'm not so sure I like having to sign in with my windows live account every time I start up so they should make that optional as well.

    Once your at the desk top navigating between Metro/Apps is much faster using the Windows key, Windows key + Q or Windows key + C.

    There simply needs to be options for all these controls rather than forcing everyone to do it the new "slower" way. That would appease the masses yet still retain the option for a fully functional touch screen Op system.
    why can't micrososft set up a classic mode in the icon that shows the "Desktop" now.
    It looks like Windows 7 it is just missing the Start Menu
    this way you have a choice to use either way the metro desktop or the "Classic Desktop"

    How hard could this be to do?

    robin
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  4. #214


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    Quote Originally Posted by robinb9 View Post

    why can't micrososft set up a classic mode in the icon that shows the "Desktop" now.
    It looks like Windows 7 it is just missing the Start Menu
    this way you have a choice to use either way the metro desktop or the "Classic Desktop"

    How hard could this be to do?

    robin
    Probably because MS are totally focused on grabbing a share of the tablet and phone market - paid for downloaded apps is where they see their future money stream coming from. The desktop is really just an extra. The majority of folks/companies are still working with Win XP so whether it's a good operating system or not, it's doing the job and they don't see any requirement to upgrade to Win7. Same will go for Win8. If you don't see a benefit to upgrade (and I for one don't atm) then simply stay as you are and see if MS can grab some extra $$$'s with downloaded apps and cloud computing.
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  5. #215


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    Quote Originally Posted by robinb9 View Post
    why can't micrososft set up a classic mode in the icon that shows the "Desktop" now.
    8 without Metro is not different enough from 7 to justify its existence.
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  6. #216


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    Windows 8 enterprise x64


    Quote Originally Posted by whs View Post
    Use Win+Ctl+Tab on the Apps page or the task manager otherwise.
    I see you embrace the idea of why make it simple when you can make it harder
    How it supposed to close with Win+Ctl+Tab ? itís cycle between apps, it don't close it. Why itís so hard to accept than a small little button will have be the way to go . Now I see come the " you don't need to close them, bla , bla , bla " but what if I want to close them.

    This tread is about , why it will be a flop...not why I should buy anything Microsoft have to offer.

    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel Travis View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by robinb9 View Post
    why can't micrososft set up a classic mode in the icon that shows the "Desktop" now.
    8 without Metro is not different enough from 7 to justify its existence.
    Agree, they should make a 7 service pack with the ISO munting option and I will be very please with my 7
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  7. #217


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    I quite like the metro design, its minimal, modern and stylish and looks fantastic on phones and tablets but it horrendous on a desktop! The design also doesn't fit well with the design of the desktop UI, its just way to much of a contrast, especially when your in desktop mode and are suddenly confronted with a huge minimal coloured pop up box! Speaking on the desktop UI; that isn't much better either, it's taken a step backwards in looks, like some strange cross between XP and W7 (IMO) and a bad custom theme downloaded from the net!
    What the heck are they thinking? With all that money could they not hire a decent graphic artist to come up with a new look?
    There are some nice features and there seems to be an improvement with speed but I just cant get into it! And I am not afraid of change or something new as I already have an Android phone and tablet and get along fine with them. I can see that Microsoft is trying to bridge the gap between desktop and tablets/phones but IMO this is a bit of a disaster.
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  8. #218


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    Quote Originally Posted by PaulGo View Post
    The more I use Windows 8 the less I like it. I really do not like the Metro interface. I don't like the idea of Microsoft trying to make desktop users use an interface that is really designed for a portable device. When you try to include everything in one interface it becomes a compromise that few people will really like.
    I don't see it as such a portable-exclusive feature. What you basically have is where people don't want icons strewn across their desktop, a second desktop that disappears and reappears for that. In a way it does most of what the start menu did better, in a bigger and more dynamic fashion. If you unpin all the fluff, by the time you get all your programs installed I think you're left with an actually leaner start menu and can be encouraged to leave programs like say WinRar to operate through the context menus and files and other programs can just quietly exist in Program Files till their function is brought forth by whatever it is you do. The important thing is I haven't actually found, past the learning curve, a time where Metro slowed me down. No, it almost always takes the same number of clicks and expedites things for not being tiny. Keep your cursor in the top left, hit the windows key, type the first two letters of something, big button, no sifting through an ancient stack of tiny text, click, Metro dissipates smooth and instant. Done.

    Random thought, I wouldn't mind if it blatantly ripped off iOS' folders. But then it is trying to get us off the mentality that we need a bunch of Start folders.
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  9. #219


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    Vista and Win7


    I see you embrace the idea of why make it simple when you can make it harder
    How it supposed to close with Win+Ctl+Tab ? it’s cycle between apps, it don't close it. Why it’s so hard to accept than a small little button will have be the way to go . Now I see come the " you don't need to close them, bla , bla , bla " but what if I want to close them.
    I do not think that whining will help. We have to deal with what they give us because that is most likely not going to change. All I tried to do is give you some easy alternatives. You take them or leave them and keep whining.
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  10. #220


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    Quote Originally Posted by Pixel Eater View Post
    If you unpin all the fluff, by the time you get all your programs installed I think you're left with an actually leaner start menu and can be encouraged to leave programs like say WinRar to operate through the context menus and files and other programs can just quietly exist in Program Files till their function is brought forth by whatever it is you do.
    How is this different (practically speaking) than with, say, 7? If you do that with 8, which I've done, the old Start Menu is still more compact and out of the way than Metro. I'm not bogged down by Metro at all, other than I have no immediate use for it and must bypass it to go to the desktop, but this notion that it's more efficient, blabbedy, blah, blah, is crazy. It's really not. It's just a different way of arranging programs, and if you get enough of those tiles on Metro, it does become a problem (to me) because it's infuriating how many of them there are. I've got about 75 programs in my Start Menu in 7, and the real estate for that is about 1/8th the size of my monitor. If I had those 75 programs in Metro, they'd be all over my screen, which is the last thing I want to see. Plus you have to scroll L to R, which on a mouse is stupid because you can't use the scroll wheel like you can for up and down. Desktops aren't as good for L-R scrolling as well as tablets or phones. If they'd give an option to scroll up and down that would at least eliminate that hassle.

    This one-size-fits-all OS will not work as well for a desktop, and I know MS knows this, but they don't care.
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This will be Microsofts biggest ever flop, far bigger than Vista.
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