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This will be Microsofts biggest ever flop, far bigger than Vista.

  1. #171


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    Windows 8 Pro/Windows 8 Pro/Windows 7 64 Bit64Bit/Windows XP


    At calbear, you're showing too much commonsense, you're supposed to find it too hard and painful, it even gave one guy nightmares, I told him to blow up his computer, dont know whether he did.

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  2. #172


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    Win7 & 8 64bit / Linux Mint 14


    Quote Originally Posted by HPDeskjet View Post

    I have also downloaded and am using Windows 8 CP out of curiosity, and, as mentioned earlier in the thread, do want it to be a success. The CP is exceptionally stable on my system and has not crashed of hung once. Everything I have thrown at it has worked fine. I won't go on about my UI gripes here as you know what they are already. All I will say is that I am of the opinion that MS will get it sorted out before the final release.

    As to the title of this thread, I did try to alter it to 'could be Microsofts ...' but am not able to. I think my use of the word 'will' is not justified.
    Don't think anyone is disagreeing that they don't want Win8 to be a success. As it stands we can play around with the Metro UI to our hearts content but that's not how it is in the real world with 95% of individuals and corporations. I got Vista 64bit working fine (eventually) once I found my way around it and slimmed the thing down and there were real world benefits. But the media and OEM's killed it off especially the OEM's who were swamped with complaints. So I hope that MS listens and offers the classic menu option. Without that though then it could well turn into a Vista mk2 and Win9 will be along far sooner rather than later.

    So hopefully there will be another consumer preview with the classic menu option so there isn't a potential instant turn-off with many of the contributors round here, myself included.
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  3. #173


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    I dont think MS will offer the Classic Menu option, I personally never like it that much in the first place, it was harder to plow through than Metro. Besides, keyboard shortcuts will give you what you want, or the scrollwheel on the mouse can move you around quickly in Metro.
    I never had too many probs with Vista once you turned off a few things, you just needed a reasonable machine to run it.
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  4. #174


    Rotterdam, The Netherlands
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    Windows 8 Pro 64-bit, Windows 7 SP1 64-bit, Windows XP SP3 32-bit


    Quote Originally Posted by CalBear View Post
    Okay, I have it figured out. Dump all the silly metro apps on the Start screen. That way you will never find yourself trying to play solitaire on the total width of a 24" monitor. Simply use the Start screen for all the programs you would usually have accessed from the start button. Place your favorite icons in their usual places on the the Desktop. Done! Nice new operating system, no confusion, well at least not very much confusion until you get all the icons you need in their places.
    Exactly what I've done. Grouped all my programmes under a 'Programmes' file on the Start screen, highly used ones like Desktop, media players and browsers have been dumped in my ' General' folder and MS Office has been moved to my MS Office folder. All the stuff I know I will not use I've unpinned. I'm still messing around with it until I get it the way I want.
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  5. #175


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    I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with Metro, I just think it's superfluous, for most 'normal' users, in a standard desktop environment. All MS have to do, as has been requested over and over again, is add the ability to choose ones environment, Metro or legacy.

    From a personal perspective, Metro, or any touch screen OS, is not something I'd want to use for day to day computing tasks. My monitors are a little less than a meter in front of me and the ergonomics of having to reach forward, even if it's a minimal number of times a day, would still be uncomfortable and unnecessary. Moreover, the Metro Interface is really only another way to represent desktop icons that some have been using for years. Personally, I can't stand icons on the desktop, or pinned to the taskbar, so having a collection of 'tiles' doing more or less the same thing is somewhere I'd prefer not to go.

    With regard to the current collection of Metro applications, for me at least, there's nothing of interest and nothing I'd want to use. in fact, the only 'tile' I have on the start page is for the Desktop. I also won't be downloading anything from the store, as it appears I have to log on to Windows 8 with a 'Live ID' and if for no other reason than personal privacy, this is something I won't be doing.

    With regard to using search to find and launch applications, again, this is really no different to the current ways of doing things in Windows 7 - Win Key + type - so why do I need an extra Metro layer.

    As I said, I don't think Metro or the touch screen metaphor is a bad thing, in fact, in certain environments, it would be perfect. in my opinion, however, the standard desktop habitat is not one of them.
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  6. #176


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    Well the odd thing is that when XP came out we were told by the operating system that icons would be removed after so many days if they hadn't been used. Now we have a start screen that is nothing but. At least unwanted tiles can be removed. What is annoying though is when you install a new programme you sometimes land up with so many new tiles installed by one simple programme on the start screen it's a real pain to have to remove all the really unwanted ones every time.
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  7. #177


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    You know deskjet, you should have started this whole thread off with "I love Metro", I think you like it more than I do. So maybe its not going to be such a failure after all, it just needs a bit of fiddling, and I'm sure the majority of Windows users are up to that challenge.
    There will be some who wont embrace it, those people are still on XP, and will wait for an improved XP, while the rest of us move into the future of computing.
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  8. #178


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    I don't see why everyone is negative about the start screen - I say it rocks - and when you do, so will it - sure, room for improvement (help with feedback) - sure they could do with the optional start menu - so more feedback - apply pressure.
    Come guys, your turning this into a nightmare and its only early days .
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  9. #179


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    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    You know deskjet, you should have started this whole thread off with "I love Metro", I think you like it more than I do. So maybe its not going to be such a failure after all, it just needs a bit of fiddling, and I'm sure the majority of Windows users are up to that challenge.
    There will be some who wont embrace it, those people are still on XP, and will wait for an improved XP, while the rest of us move into the future of computing.
    Well.you may be right. I started with a rant but I do think it's always important to listen to what others are saying. The innards of the OS are excellent and I have always said that. Chucking out all the crap I have no need for on the start screen makes a big difference. Then I thought, that's what I always did with the Start Menu anyway. I may be turning in to the worm that turned. It's just all that damn scrolling that narks me off about the Start Screen compared to the Start Menu. It simply annoys me.
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  10. #180


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    Vista and Win7


    The biggest problem I have with the start menu is that I cannot change the color of the tiles. And the writing in the tiles is so dim that I can hardly read it. I wish they would use a proper white for the letters rather than this washed out grey.
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This will be Microsofts biggest ever flop, far bigger than Vista.
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