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This will be Microsofts biggest ever flop, far bigger than Vista.

  1. #1611


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    That is the double edged sword.

    Many will be using workarounds or classic shell / tihiy's app. etc - so that win8 is usable for them.

    MS should be thanking the guys who make these things.

    The downside is , MS may take that to mean you like the product as delivered.

    I dare say that if none of these things existed, far fewer on this forum and elsewhere would be using win8 at all.

    That can have a surprising ripple effect - as the word spreads to the general public. Their geeky friend is using win8.

    MS are very fortunate.

    Quote Originally Posted by PaulGo View Post
    Why should we reward Microsoft for its stupidity in creating an OS we dislike? If you need third party patches to get it to become a usable OS then we should not be purchasing the OS since it tells Microsoft that the junk they are currently providing us is OK.

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  2. #1612


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    Windows 8 enterprise x64


    I agree with you Mystere, I will add that peoples don't know what they want, they have Windows 7 working fine, but it's not enough for them, they want a new OS who will be the same a Windows 7 ...do you understand that ?

    Now it does means that I love Windows 8 , they have to seriously fix the annoyances, especially with 2 or 3 monitors and give an option to disable the hot corner. I learn to use the key short cut, I don't need the hot corner, this is an easy fix if Sinofsky want.
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  3. #1613


    Posts : 993
    Windows 8 pro Retail


    Go ahead and do that, then save it Mustang, then with a little tricky magic, right click on said Excel spreadsheet, then click on properties, then click on the details, and your name should still be there, and of not just click the author area and type in your name.
    Bingo, Bango, Bongo. You are seen as the owner, no matter the formatting.
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  4. #1614


    Posts : 154
    Win7


    I've now gotten a perfectly stable Win8 that runs faster than Win7, has the exact same Start Menu with all of my settings, ignores the Wall of Buttons and all the crApps therein, and has the same WIn7 gadgets I like. As a bonus it's a bit faster since it doesn't have to load Metro into RAM.

    I did this with Ex7ForW8 which installs the actual Seven explorer so you have the same Start Menu, and 8GadgetPack - Gadgets for Windows 8 - same gadgets as 7, just gotta rightclick to hide the sidebar.

    That any user would have to go through this to have a tolerable desktop experience only points to the foolishness of forcing a touch screen OS on desktop users, who will not tolerate a wall of buttons slamming down on their work to access Start menu functions, not when they already had the best OS ever.
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  5. #1615


    Posts : 1,925
    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by gregrocker View Post
    That any user would have to go through this to have a tolerable desktop experience only points to the foolishness of forcing a touch screen OS on desktop users, who will not tolerate a wall of buttons slamming down on their work to access Start menu functions, not when they already had the best OS ever.
    This is a completely false argument. No user *HAS* to do this. Windows 8 is 100% completely usable as it is out of the box.

    You don't like Metro. Fine, but that doesn't make it unusable, as lots of people find it quite so. It's your own refusal to change that is the problem here. Your argument, taken to the extreme, would be that a Mac user comes to Windows 7, and complains that there's no dock (even though the superbar is similar in many ways), complains that each window has it's own menu bar, complains that there's too many buttons on the mouse, then proceeds to install various tools and apps to make it look exactly like MacOS X.

    Then, he has the gall to say "The very fact that I have to do all these things to make Windows 7 usable shows how bad Windows is".

    Would you not, rightfully, rip into such a person about their faulty logic?
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  6. #1616


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    1st W10 Professional x64/W7 Ultimate x64 - 2nd Remote system: W10 Insider Builds/W7 Professional


    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    That is the double edged sword.

    Many will be using workarounds or classic shell / tihiy's app. etc - so that win8 is usable for them.

    MS should be thanking the guys who make these things.

    The downside is , MS may take that to mean you like the product as delivered.

    I dare say that if none of these things existed, far fewer on this forum and elsewhere would be using win8 at all.

    That can have a surprising ripple effect - as the word spreads to the general public. Their geeky friend is using win8.

    MS are very fortunate.

    Quote Originally Posted by PaulGo View Post
    Why should we reward Microsoft for its stupidity in creating an OS we dislike? If you need third party patches to get it to become a usable OS then we should not be purchasing the OS since it tells Microsoft that the junk they are currently providing us is OK.
    Before I even had tried Start8(the first one looked at) or Start Menu 7 as you recall prior to Classic Shell I worked my way through things to see a shortcut created for each item I could pin on the taskbar or add into a quick launch type addon toolbar from the taskbar itself or add onto RocketDock. Someone else pinned the Programs folder to the taskbar or simply expanded the taskbar and kept on pinning things to it.

    All that taken into consideration the 3rd party addons are mostly heard of where? Here af 8F without a doubt while the general public will eventually become the deciding factor since that's a much larger populace of less informed individuals except where OEMs have compensated for the MS gui change with their own Start menu developed! Staples office supply now running ads offering "free training" for Windows 8 on the new machines they sell. They know people will be stumped at how MS went about things and returning new machine fast unless they help out!

    Quote Originally Posted by area 66 View Post
    I agree with you Mystere, I will add that peoples don't know what they want, they have Windows 7 working fine, but it's not enough for them, they want a new OS who will be the same a Windows 7 ...do you understand that ?

    Now it does means that I love Windows 8 , they have to seriously fix the annoyances, especially with 2 or 3 monitors and give an option to disable the hot corner. I learn to use the key short cut, I don't need the hot corner, this is an easy fix if Sinofsky want.
    What was interesting was finding out why once Classic Shell was on I suddenly would not see the popups for the Start screen like I should have until going over the CS settings even further. Somehow the disable Start option was ticked off. The other thing to know about the options for the Start button or orb is changing it from 7's Aero style to XP or see the 8 Start screen appear from the taskbar button.

    With Vista and later 7 people still wanted the XP Classic theme showing despite what new version it is people "want familiar turf"! This is why many still linger on to XP despite being told the newer versions have been found far more stable and secure with MS making improvements in those areas while unfortunately this large of gui change for 8 is based on the Windows RT package for Tablet and Tablet PC not best suited as the OS to replace a Desktop 7!

    Each new version brings in something new as everyone already knows. Which version tickles someone's fancy the most is what they will stay with regardless of how much or how little someone else likes or hates a newer version!

    What does that mean? For some you can simply toss any changes at them and they will buy into the newer. For others who have a different agenda the changes one version brings in on the other hand can be a "Royal Pain in Der..." putting it that simple. This is when they opt for the extra help of the 3rd party items to make the OS usable!

    It's not that "you can not run this new version the way it is" but how much of a hinderance this sudden change will be for those that do still try and work with it! For someone who doesn't have a lot of time to play around with new "Bells & Whistles" as far as the gui being changed or is not geeky in nature but wants things kept simple as many do the way 8 is is awkward.

    Others are lost at finding settings for their WiFi connection it seems and have to be coached on how to get into the Control Panel by either having it in view in any WE window or by right clicking on the desktop to click on the Control Panel>Home when the Personalization screen appears in order to get into the Network & Sharing Center. Or just to find the command prompt since where iare the Accessories formerly found at the top of the All Programs list?

    The Start screen is fast and furious for your main problems with a simple swipe on the touchscreen! Some here with 8 Tablets are finding that out for themselves. But for finding settings oh gee that right click in lower left if you know about some of the CP items there or getting the mouse cursor over just the right spot on the right lower corner is awkward as "H" at times.

    It still works but best on Tablet which it was intended for! No one is saying "You can not work with it!" at all. The main point is not everyone will even want to be bothered trying to keep each Win key shortcut in memory as they go about their daily tasks. They won't want their desktops cluttered up with Shutdown and Restart shortcuts either. People as a general rule simply want to see things "MADE EASY" for them! You can't get away from human nature there!
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  7. #1617


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    I have heard some arrogant tosh in my time, but that takes some beating.

    Mystere
    It's your own refusal to change that is the problem here
    OK Mystere, from now on - there is a new way for you to get to work.

    Instead of driving the 10 miles each way - you are going to crawl on your hands and kness.

    You don't like it ?

    It's your own refusal to change that is the problem here
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  8. #1618


    Posts : 1,925
    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    I have heard some arrogant tosh in my time, but that takes some beating.
    Really? What, exactly, is the point of upgrading to a new OS if you just want to turn it into the old OS?

    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    OK Mystere, from now on - there is a new way for you to get to work. Instead of driving the 10 miles each way - you are going to crawl on your hands and kness. You don't like it ?
    Well, if I had moved to a new location, knowing that this would be the case... Then I would have nothing to complain about, now would I?

    The point you are missing is that YOU DECIDED TO UPGRADE. Microsoft did not put a gun to your head. Why upgrade and then refuse to accept the changes that come with it? That's just pointless.
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  9. #1619


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    I won't touch that one with a ten foot pole! RIght from the get go the one lump sum I knew would be coming however was 8 would be seeing all types of opinions! Some are going to love it while others are going to hate it putting it that in simple terms.

    When Vista was first it was the say way desipite being for different reasons. The complaint was many didn't have the hardware support and complained about it being a sluggish OS. SP1 corrected some of the initial bugs like not accurately reporting the actual amount of physical memory installed. By SP2 however it was smooth sailing for the more secure OS at the time. 7 was a champ right out of the box with everybody wanting it while now for 8 MS went off in a different direction and where the mixed bag of opinions are emerging.

    Here I could easily pick up an OEM 8 Pro x64 disk at any time and do what? It won't run a number of apps that work well on 7 and no longer supports video playback in WMP which is used regularly to test integrity of video captures. VLC is used at times while that program won't suffice all the time as any substitute.

    If anything I would likely pick up an 8 Tablet or Tablet PC for use as a portable where the gui is where it should be on the RT! Recently picking up a Syvania Netbook with the embedded form of 7 on it wasn't so good! No java support for the limited form of IE on it not allowing you to log in as well as having an 800mhz processor? You need at least 1ghz or faster these days as well as 11gb or more and a larger SSD onboard!
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  10. #1620


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    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by Night Hawk View Post
    SP1 corrected some of the initial bugs like not accurately reporting the actual amount of physical memory installed.
    Actually, Vista did report the correct amount of Memory that the OS could use. Many people complained that they had more memory in the system than was displayed, and this was because Vista could not use that memory.

    Finally, Microsoft relented and just displayed what was there, rather than what the OS could use. In effect, lying to us because we demanded it.
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This will be Microsofts biggest ever flop, far bigger than Vista.
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