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This will be Microsofts biggest ever flop, far bigger than Vista.

  1. #1601


    Posts : 1,308
    Windows 8 enterprise x64


    If you want a shell like Windows 7 , well you stay with Windows 7... This is a new OS, you get it like it is, no one force anyone to install it. I must admin that I have quite few thing I will like to see MS change in Windows 8, but I will for sure not make it look like Windows 7, it's 3 years ? we have Windows 7, I start to be bored., all true I will have prefer something more Desktop friendly.

    Ms miss the boat with Windows 8, but only by few seconds, it will be easy to correct mistake if they want. Don't be fool , I'm sure Microsoft have a real desktop Windows 8, they just put it on the tablet.

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  2. #1602


    Australia
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    Windows 7 Ult Reatil & Win 8 Pro OEM


    Quote Originally Posted by jeffrys View Post
    Mustang, did you change the printer, i mean did you tried to swap the HP to another computer to see what gives.
    Anyway, i do not believe HP when they say the printer is fine.

    Jeff
    Hi Jeff, this is my setup:

    Windows 7 PC, MS Office 2010, HP Deskjet 3050 Printer.
    Windows 8 PC, MS Office 2010, HP Deskjet 3050 Printer.

    I have swapped the printer from W7 to W8, and W8 to W7. And everything prints seamless on both systems, except on W8 it cannot print Excel files created in W7. It will print Word files created in W7. And will print new Excel files created in MS Office 2010 on W8.

    There are other issues too, with MS Office 2010 Excel in W8. If I take an Excel file created in W7, and copy/paste it to a blank Excel file created in W8, it will not copy properly.

    1. If the whole contents of a W7 Excel file are highlighted/copied, then a new blank Excel file opened in W8, and the W7 file pasted to it, the error message comes up that the formulas cannot be duplicated in the W8 Excel file, only values. And even if it's copied with only values, it still isn't even close to the origianl document. Most of the Paste Special options are missing.

    2. However, if a new blank Excel file in W8 is opened/saved/closed and then reopened, the contents of the W7 file can be copied, with all Paste Special options available.

    3. However, even after pasting, using the 3 Paste Special options of: Paste/Paste Formulas/Paste Formats ... the format of the W7 file is not pasted correctly. Arial 10 reverts to Calibri 11 default in the new W8 document, instead of Arial 10 as in the original doc. Also row heights are not faithfully copied.

    This means that the selected print area for things like Profit & Loss statements no longer fit on one page as designated in the originating document. They're too big.

    But even if the format did copy correctly, to try to convert all my Excel docs using this method would be totally impractical because there are too many. Even if I buy a new printer, there is no guarantee, because if there is an issue in Office 2010 on W8, I'll be wasting my money.

    It should also be noted that all Excel documents originally created on both Vista and W7 using earlier versions of MS Office from versions 2003 and 2007 all print seamless on that printer in W8.

    So it's only Excel docs created in W7 in MS Office 2010 that won't print in W8. The HP Deskjet on W8 prints all Excel docs created in all other OSs on MS Office 2003, 2007 and 2010 ... except Excel created in 2010 on W7 or Vista.

    It's either a glitch in Excel in MS Office 2010, or a compatibility issue W8 has with Excel in MS Office 2010.

    The really annoying thing is that Microsoft Tech support won't even look at it, and dismissed it out of hand. At least HP took control of my PC and spent nearly and hour trying to trouble shoot it. The only solution they could offer was the work around of recreating the files in new W8 Excel files, which as already stated is not practical.
    Last edited by Mustang; 10 Nov 2012 at 23:45.
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  3. #1603


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    1st W10 Professional x64/W7 Ultimate x64 - 2nd Remote system: W10 Insider Builds/W7 Professional


    Quote Originally Posted by area 66 View Post
    If you want a shell like Windows 7 , well you stay with Windows 7... This is a new OS, you get it like it is, no one force anyone to install it. I must admin that I have quite few thing I will like to see MS change in Windows 8, but I will for sure not make it look like Windows 7, it's 3 years ? we have Windows 7, I start to be bored., all true I will have prefer something more Desktop friendly.

    Ms miss the boat with Windows 8, but only by few seconds, it will be easy to correct mistake if they want. Don't be fool , I'm sure Microsoft have a real desktop Windows 8, they just put it on the tablet.
    The 8 release with RT gui for Surface Tablet is what they are calling the next major desktop release! What you see is what you get! The focus again was on Tablet by design where you simply swipe fingers on a 7-10" screen to move around not move a mouse cursor back and forth twice as many times to get one thing done!

    This is what the main fuss is over and why many of those trying 8 out as well as many who are going to run the new version are opting for the 3rd party addons. In fact if MS had wanted to bring the Start screen onto the desktop releases and still keep the tradition Start orb the Start screen would be launched from the Start menu itself for the All Programs option over simply removing what has been working for most all these and leaving no options behind.

    At least with Vsta you saw the options for Classic or Aero where none have been offered in 8. Instead the Surface gui is MS saying this is what you will use without any other options by us!
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  4. #1604


    Australia
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    Windows 7 Ult Reatil & Win 8 Pro OEM


    I purchased W8 Pro OEM disk from a retail computer shop for $149. I have imported Explorer 7 and original W7 Orb Start Menu using Ex7ForW8.

    In it's native state I wouldn't have touched Windows 8 with a barge pole!

    My first experience with it was with the original Enterprise version from a DVD inlcuded with Australian PC Magazine. It's bad enough using a touch screen and lack of start menu on my Android smartfone, but to have a smartfone GUI touchscreen set-up pushed down your throat for a desktop ... No way Hosea!

    Why did I buy it? For the faster improved kernel OS, which is basically an upgraded Windows 7 OS. I call my setup Windows 7 v2.

    My W7 Ult 64bit cost $421 ,($Aussie), so $149 didn't break the bank.

    Quote Originally Posted by Night Hawk
    In fact if MS had wanted to bring the Start screen onto the desktop releases and still keep the tradition Start orb the Start screen would be launched from the Start menu itself for the All Programs option over simply removing what has been working for most all these and leaving no options behind.
    That's exactly what you get when you install Ex7ForW8. There is an icon in jump start menu, (of Orb Start Menu), that logs you out of Explorer 7, and back into Explorer 8 via Start screen. And the same icon is used in Start screen to get back again.

    Now if I could just get my Excel printing problem fixed ... see Post #1602 above ... I'd be a happy camper.
    Last edited by Mustang; 11 Nov 2012 at 02:33.
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  5. #1605


    Posts : 993
    Windows 8 pro Retail


    Mustang wrote: Now if I could just get my Excel printing problem fixed ... see Post #1602 above ... I'd be a happy camper.

    Easy fix for this, instead of C/Ping the file, open the file menu (upper orb) locate the ORIGINAL file you created, choose it, and click open. NOW it will give you an option to convert it into the format that can be read by your printer. Remember to check it over to make sure your columns and rows line up right before you click the orb and print it.
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  6. #1606


    Australia
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    Windows 7 Ult Reatil & Win 8 Pro OEM


    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Lonewolf View Post
    Mustang wrote: Now if I could just get my Excel printing problem fixed ... see Post #1602 above ... I'd be a happy camper.

    Easy fix for this, instead of C/Ping the file, open the file menu (upper orb) locate the ORIGINAL file you created, choose it, and click open. NOW it will give you an option to convert it into the format that can be read by your printer. Remember to check it over to make sure your columns and rows line up right before you click the orb and print it.
    Thanks for the input Mike. When I open the original spread sheet file, these are the options I get.

    Click image for larger version

    If I choose the option Convert to Compatibility mode, unfortunately it still won't print.

    Was this what you were referring to?

    UPDATE:

    Mike you're a freakin genius! What you said didn't work but it put me on the right track. See new diagram.

    Click image for larger version

    By choosing --> Check for issues --> Inspect Document

    It listed various items and showed personal XML properties that were incompatible. By deleting these the document printed perfectly without having to create a compatible version. And all formulas, formatting etc were exactly as before.

    Cheers Mate You've made my day!

    What Microsoft didn't want to know about, and HP couldn't fix after nearly an hour with their senior techo controlling my PC, you've fixed in a couple of minutes.

    Now I'm a happy camper!
    Last edited by Mustang; 11 Nov 2012 at 04:43.
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  7. #1607


    >I purchased Windows 8 Pro OEM disk from a retail computer shop for $149.

    You paid twice the price I did at Best Buy for $69.99, but it wasn't OEM disk.

    I'm giving Windows 8 another try, took my computer to Best Buy where I bought it and they installed Windows 8 for me for free because I bought a warranty when I bought the computer. It's been working great for a few days now. The more I use it the more I realize that except for the Start button everything in Windows 7 is still there in Windows 8, just in different places. I suppose it's just a learning curve. I just installed M$ Office Pro yesterday, have not tried copying xcel sheets from Win7/Office 2007 to Win8 Office 2010.
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  8. #1608


    Posts : 92
    Windows 10 (64 bit)


    Why should we reward Microsoft for its stupidity in creating an OS we dislike? If you need third party patches to get it to become a usable OS then we should not be purchasing the OS since it tells Microsoft that the junk they are currently providing us is OK.
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  9. #1609


    Australia
    Posts : 716
    Windows 7 Ult Reatil & Win 8 Pro OEM

    Off topic: Printing problems with MS Office 2010 Excel s




    Update to Post #1606

    Off topic: Printing problems with MS Office 2010 Excel spread sheet in Windows 8.

    It seems there is a security issue involved here with W8. When I create an Excel spreadsheet in Windows 7, it prints straight off.

    When I try to print the exact same Excel sheet in W8 it will not print.

    As mentioned in post#1606, if I open the Excel document in either Windows 7 or W8, and run: Check for issues > Inspect Document, it shows a warning under: Document Properities and Personal Information.

    Windows 7: If this item is left intact, the document will still print OK.

    Windows 8: If this item is left intact, the document will not print, period. To be able to print the document, the option to "Remove all" must be run on Documents Properties and Personal Information.

    On checking the documents Properites > Details, before and after running "Remove all", the only item removed is my user name.

    So in effect if I leave my user name in the document properties it will not allow me to print it in W8, but it will allow me to print it in Windows 7.

    How can I over ride this enforced security measure as I want to retain my user name under Properties > Details.
    Last edited by Mustang; 11 Nov 2012 at 12:10.
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  10. #1610


    Posts : 1,925
    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by PaulGo View Post
    Why should we reward Microsoft for its stupidity in creating an OS we dislike? If you need third party patches to get it to become a usable OS then we should not be purchasing the OS since it tells Microsoft that the junk they are currently providing us is OK.
    That's just it. You *DON'T* need third party patches. You simply *WANT* third party patches, because you don't want to change how you do things. Windows 8 is perfectly usable the way it comes from Microsoft. Just because you don't like it, it doesn't mean it's not usable.
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This will be Microsofts biggest ever flop, far bigger than Vista.
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