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This will be Microsofts biggest ever flop, far bigger than Vista.

  1. #1591


    Quote Originally Posted by HPDeskjet View Post
    I’ve been trying out the Consumer Preview for a couple of days now and it looks as though MS have chosen to make using the desktop UI in Windows we all know as difficult and frustrating as possible. On logging in for the first time you are confronted with the Metro start screen. It then takes ages to find things like the Network Centre, Control Panel, Windows Explorer etc. as they are not on the initial Metro start screen. You have to hunt around the entire OS to find them and then either make shortcuts to the Metro UI or pin them to the desktop taskbar to access them quickly. MS have also deliberately removed the old ‘Start’ button from the bottom left hand corner of the desktop screen, making it a nightmare to navigate anywhere if you want to quickly open a programme that is not pinned to your desktop taskbar. This makes trying to work productively a complete joke. Whoever thought that removing the START button from the desktop screen was a good idea should be taken out and publicly flogged and pelted with rotten vegetables. A decision some brainless cretin at MS seems to have made.
    Did you startup driving your new high tech car right off ? Yeah, I didn't think so; there were new things you had to get used to doing, and its no different here.

    The new OS, is touch/swipe, and its the future obviously.

    This is the future, I love it, everyone else loves it and watch for touch screens to sell like wildfire for win 8.

    Most people do simple thing with their computers, like music, pictures, emails, video chat and surfing, and for that purpose alone, win8 is a dream, and works in tandem with phones and tablets. Make no mistake, this is the future, and anyone that misses that , will get left in the dust.

    cu
    lee

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  2. #1592


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    Quote Originally Posted by tseven View Post
    I don't think it will be a flop but it could have been more successful. Not to say that it isn't.
    I wouldn't count on it not being some type of flop while you won't be seeing any full retail version sold on store shelves. MS has limited the purchase options to upgrade or OEM for System Builder on disk and no two dvd full version offers!

    The implimentation is where most will be stumped since all too many are never on forums like this and are frowning at the changes when now spotting the tv ads! Some who never upgraded from XP and still wouldn't consider 7 but will buy a used or refurbished XP laptop for example would never even try 8 out.

    And it certainly isn't all 8 bashing going on. I was looking at the possibility of running 8 as a second OS here but was a bit irritated after the CP with the haphazards of dual booting with the RP! Classic Shell took out the "Modern" part of it where the Control Panel is displayed in the Windows Explorer window or found by a fast right click on the desktop to move from Personalization to Control Panel>Home in one fast click.

    Quote Originally Posted by snooker View Post
    If your on your desktop screen . Place the mouse at the bottom right of the screen click setting and then the power. You will have the options to shut down, restart or sleep. It seem pretty simple
    Simple only IF you know it is even there! Staples is now "offering free lessons for Windows 8" in their tv spots when showing off some of the latest tablets and laptops with the Start screen displayed. They know the general public will be needing some general "Win 8 Re-education" on the vast changes MS pulled off!

    As far as 8 I could be running it tomorrow with a 64bit Pro OEM disk in the mail. The workarounds already out plus more likely to come would get back to some normal type of desktop OS. I don't have to have 8 since 7 is already doing "everything" besides any possible Hyper-X project. 8 on the other hand is hearing complaints from those running the W8 Pro about various things where I can only give so much advice for the new version not running it on a daily basis.
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  3. #1593


    Posts : 154
    Win7


    Finally found a Start Menu that not only exactly replicates 7, but pulled all my defaults over from my 7 Partition.

    In addition because you toggle either 7 or 8 Explorer, if you choose 7 style it doesn't load Metro into RAM so it's faster overall than either 7 or 8. I can't remember Firefox ever being this snappy.

    I have never recommended a mod before but highly recommend this one to make 8 as good of a desktop experience as 7.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mustang View Post
    If you want an exact replica of W7 Orb/Start Menu, with ALL the functions, click: Ex7ForW8.

    It requres slightly more work, as you need the W7 Installation disk to load it; but it only takes a matter of seconds to extract Explorer 7 files.

    Once loaded it has a toggle switch between Explorer8/Metro and Explorer7/Orb Start Menu.

    In effect you're running either Explorer 7 or 8. When using Ex7 Metro is totally gone, on boot and after boot; but only a click away if you need to access it from the active GUI.

    I'm using it on Enterprise 8, and after all available updates still runs seamless. And W8 on SSD SATA3 with I5 CPU absolutely flies.
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  4. #1594


    Posts : 5,360
    7/8/ubuntu/Linux Deepin


    That's because it is 7 explorer.

    It won't be suitable for the average user - they dont have the win7 dvd. But if they are foolhardy enough to have done the in place upgrade - they do have them in the windows.old directory.Only if they had win7 to start with.

    It's great. I have been using tihiy's stuff to help with an attempt at winpe4.

    Hopeless trying to use the crippled win8 explorer functions in there.
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  5. #1595


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    Or you create a Logoff, restart, shutdown shortcut and place this on the taskbar AND start menu, no need to go to settings then.

    Wehn on the taskbar you need to go to the start menu, hit the corner, then settings, then power before you can hit restart or shutdown, and logoff is not there.

    Keep it simple.

    Mustang, did you change the printer, i mean did you tried to swap the HP to another computer to see what gives.
    Anyway, i do not believe HP when they say the printer is fine.

    Jeff
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  6. #1596


    Posts : 162
    Windows 8 Pro


    If you want the start menu back, try start8.

    Start8 for Windows® 8 - Bringing back the Windows Start menu
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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffrys View Post
    Or you create a Logoff, restart, shutdown shortcut and place this on the taskbar AND start menu, no need to go to settings then.

    Wehn on the taskbar you need to go to the start menu, hit the corner, then settings, then power before you can hit restart or shutdown, and logoff is not there.

    Keep it simple.

    Mustang, did you change the printer, i mean did you tried to swap the HP to another computer to see what gives.
    Anyway, i do not believe HP when they say the printer is fine.

    Jeff
    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    That's because it is 7 explorer.

    It won't be suitable for the average user - they dont have the win7 dvd. But if they are foolhardy enough to have done the in place upgrade - they do have them in the windows.old directory.Only if they had win7 to start with.

    It's great. I have been using tihiy's stuff to help with an attempt at winpe4.

    Hopeless trying to use the crippled win8 explorer functions in there.
    The shortcuts are easy to create but unnnessary overall. With a shortcut created for the main exe for Classic Shell dragged into the Startup folder most of the Start screen is simply bypassed when firing up the RP VM here.

    Quote Originally Posted by jbfoster View Post
    If you want the start menu back, try start8.

    Start8 for Windows® 8 - Bringing back the Windows Start menu
    Start8 was the first looked at here and dismissed fast when replaced at first by Start Menu 7 and later Classic Shell both "free" while Start8 is a paid for app to get the full version there. Plus you can do quite a bit more like change skins with the Classic Shell's desktop settings options and pay nothing!

    The beta seen for the "StartisBack" method is replacing system files from one version to see the ones from a previous version applied. The idea of a need for a 3rd party app in the first place was a ridiculus decision made by MS to pursue the Tablet market place at the sacrifice of the next desktop installment to replace 7. That will still be one important factor regardless of what workarounds you try out.

    Meanwhile here's a little "goodie" from MS for video playback on 8 while MS strips away the video player support at the same time? It kind of defeats the purpose of having the Invisible Controls Video Player wouldn't you think?
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  8. #1598


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    Windows 8 Pro


    I don't like clasic shell
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    Oooohh well... That's something for those that do while other programs won't! You have to make your own decision as to what you want to run on your own pc. No one else can tell you what to run!

    The preference here at first was when comparing Start8 to Start Menu 7 until giving the CS a good look over. Eventually something even better will likely come along and I might opt for that instead if I do eventually run 8 at all other then on VM. That decision remains up in the air as far as seeing 8 on as a second OS.
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  10. #1600


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    Windows 8 Pro


    Classic Shell with the Windows 7 skin here is all you need to replicate the traditional start menu in Windows 8.


    Download Classic Shell Skin to Get Windows 7 Look-Like Start Menu and Start Button in Windows 8 - Tweaking with Vishal


    The main problem with Start8 is that it's made by Stardock, not that it's a paid app. If you want your inbox filled with Stardock spam, among other things, go ahead and install Start8.
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This will be Microsofts biggest ever flop, far bigger than Vista.
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