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This will be Microsofts biggest ever flop, far bigger than Vista.

  1. #1531


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    IOS and Android started out small. When I got my first Android phone there wan not very many quality apps on the Market but now there is. The Windows store will be the same way. You have to crawl before you learn to walk.

    Just give it time. I'm thinking things will be different a year from now. If Microsoft can get their OS up to speed like Android and bring the price down a little I would get a tablet and Windows phone.

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  2. #1532


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    Quote Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Night Hawk View Post
    7hrs. to wipe a drive? You are certainly spending far too long. You could have backed up the files you wanted and simply nuked the C primary in only a matter of a few minutes by booting live from disk. The command prompt option to run the DiskPart tool to use the clean command only takes a matter of seconds to wipe a 1tb drive.
    If you do a "Quick Format", the drive doesn't get wiped at all (only the index gets wiped).
    The format option is right there in the drive tools on the 7 dvd when you go to install 7. To see the optimum results however what I do here is once everything is backed up from the main drive which is seen to regularly to begin with the single C primary is nuked period to be replaced by a fresh new primary.

    That method insures there are no potential lingering Partition Table issues to come up after the clean install goes on. But even with the format option the quick format normally wouldn't take more then a minute or two on a large capacity drive. The old format command used for the old Legacy and even with XP however would take upto a few hours at times but unsuitable these days!

    Quote Originally Posted by area 66 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by jbfoster View Post
    Each person needs to sit down on a Windows 8 PC and give it a try.

    Jim
    WHY ? If someone is comfortable with Windows 7, WHY he should sit and give a try to Widows 8, WHY ?
    One of the best posts on this thread so far! The people here that downloaded 8 did so because "they wanted a look" at what the next MS offering would be as far as look and feel. That was a conscious choice!

    Even with 7 when someone was settled with XP and you tried encouraging them to look at either Vista or 7 to be prepared due the shrinking support for the older version and new board's no longer offering XP drivers as a big clue you can only lead a horse to water but not make it drink!

    For the next person on the other hand that is looking to "get out of" an older version maybe finding things(like XP is known for) buggy or wanting to update the OS in general 8 might be to their liking while for the larger number of people who found 7 to be the champion of all Windows 8 has simply been the largest reason "not to upgrade at all"!

    For those that simply want the latest and don't care about what changes have been made they are often labeled the MS fan boys over someone who turns around to go back to the previous or skip over one version entirely. Wth this being more of an RT version and not the familar "next release of" the Windows desktop OS you have to wonder just why all the bad publicity by blog writers unless they somewhat already know themselves 8 simply is not suitable for all users to begin with!

    As a tech I may or may not use the next offering but still have to get familiar with how it works as well as what it offers. I know from practical experience already that 8 is not going to go over well with too many to start with simply because most are only looking for "familiar turf" with a new theme and some new options not see the entire desktop they are accustomed turned into a Tablet OS.

    One of the earliest blog writers titled one article correctly mentioning MS was taking a hugh gambit with 8! Many would simply now call 8 the "Wheel of Misfortune"! And you won't be changing their minds any time soon.

    Here's a quote from the latest ZDNet article on 8 you'll find amusing.

    JURY STILL OUT ON WINDOWS 8: 19%

    As expected, some of the early adopters liked the hardware but were flummoxed by the new operating system. A sampling of comments:


    • “Windows 8 … this take some getting used to. The idea of getting to information faster is good however, there aren't enough programs preloaded.”
    • “Great so far - getting used to Win 8 will take a few days!!!”
    • " trying to get use to this new windows 8”
    • “I haven't made my mind up about Windows 8. I've sort of figured out how to use it but I find myself switching back to the desktop. It's easier for me to navigate.”


    I think part of Microsoft's bet on the Windows 8 interface is that people will get over the discomfort quickly. If so, this comment has to be reassuring:

    Windows 8 scares me as I'm not used to not having a "start" menu to get to my All Programs. : The more I use it, however, the more I like it and this computer is...FAST!!!


    The report was on the HSN and seen at What do normal people think of new Windows 8 PCs? | ZDNet
    Last edited by Night Hawk; 04 Nov 2012 at 22:19. Reason: Additional information
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  3. #1533


    Posts : 534
    Windows 7, Windows 8 RP


    Quote Originally Posted by Max Peck View Post
    Microsoft must not have any kind of Q/A process on the app store right now because a lot of what I've played with today is pure junk.
    You're right there, I was an early adopter of Windows Phone and it was the same thing a lot of junk Apps at the beginning but there are some really nice apps now. Windows Phone 8 will be better thanks to Native Code support, there are already a lot of major developers and Apps coming that were not on board before because WP7 didn't support native code.
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  4. #1534


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    With anything new it will always take time just like seeing the next version time is the factor for all of the drivers as well as newer versions of the same or new softwares. Likewise apps for RT Tablets will take time to see emerge as well as for the 8 apps and W8 Phone too.
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  5. #1535


    Quote Originally Posted by jbfoster View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by AncientDragon View Post
    I had the choice of doing a quick format or a clean wipe and knew beforehand that a clean wipe would take quite a while. I'm not complaining about that.

    I removed Windows 8 and replaced it with Windows 7. I would return my copy of Windows 8 to Best Buy if I could, but since I opened it I won't be able to do that. So, instead I'll just use the dvd as a coster to put my beer on. Even if I could make Win8 look like Win7 there would be no purpose in doing so. IMHO Win8 is a flop, worse than Vista.

    What was wrong with Windows 8 ?

    Granted it has it's issues, I don't see why some hate it so much. Over all it was fine. Not super great but not bad or poor either.
    I liked almost every version of M$ os that they put out, except Windows 8, and I've been using it every since MS-DOS 1.0 was released. I just don't like the default user interface of Windows 8. Yes I could download a start button and other gadgets so that it looks like Windows 7. But why? What does Windows 8 then have or do that Windows 7 doesn't already have and do? What's the point of upgrading? I know M$ wants to have one os for PC, tablets, smart phones, etc. Nice gesture, but not very practical. I don't want my PC to look and feel like a tablet. And I don't care if the two have two different interfaces.
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  6. #1536


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    Windows 8 enterprise x64


    Quote Originally Posted by AncientDragon View Post
    I liked almost every version of M$ os that they put out, except Windows 8, and I've been using it every since MS-DOS 1.0 was released. I just don't like the default user interface of Windows 8. Yes I could download a start button and other gadgets so that it looks like Windows 7. But why? What does Windows 8 then have or do that Windows 7 doesn't already have and do? What's the point of upgrading? I know M$ wants to have one os for PC, tablets, smart phones, etc. Nice gesture, but not very practical. I don't want my PC to look and feel like a tablet. And I don't care if the two have two different interfaces.
    I can have say the same exact words, this is the first time I'm not excited with a new OS
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  7. #1537


    Posts : 993
    Windows 8 pro Retail


    This just in from Microsoft, their app store will be within the next couple of weeks be offering under *Paid Apps* every Microsoft application, and game they have created (Modern). The only actual lame apps I see are the free stuff *LoL* The ones that have been placed there by the big box companies are quite nice. As was stated earlier in this thread by Tony, just give it some time.
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  8. #1538


    So now M$ is going to charge us for the games they gave us free with previous versions of MS-Windows?
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  9. #1539


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    Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit


    Quote Originally Posted by AncientDragon View Post
    I liked almost every version of M$ os that they put out, except Windows 8, and I've been using it every since MS-DOS 1.0 was released. I just don't like the default user interface of Windows 8. Yes I could download a start button and other gadgets so that it looks like Windows 7. But why? What does Windows 8 then have or do that Windows 7 doesn't already have and do? What's the point of upgrading? I know M$ wants to have one os for PC, tablets, smart phones, etc. Nice gesture, but not very practical. I don't want my PC to look and feel like a tablet. And I don't care if the two have two different interfaces.
    I was under the same impression myself, I.E. Why upgrade something that's working perfectly well as my Win7 was working? I too have been around since [before] DOS 1.0.

    In my case I wanted to have one more look at it before I totally dismissed it. I had not yet attempted upgrading my full system to it. So I imaged my hard drive, paid the $15, created an install disk then turned the thing loose.

    Long story short: System stable and runs fine. Desktop is exactly as it was sans start button and gadgets. (Neither of which I really miss). Metro subsystem is in the background and is interesting to tinker with. Downloaded and installed VS2012 Express to tinker with Metro development. Bought book on Metro development. Doing some learning as we speak.

    I just don't feel like I've lost anything and now I've got a foothold on the new GUI. The thing runs fine. Don't even have to see Metro unless I want to.

    -Max
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  10. #1540


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    Windows 8 enterprise x64


    Maxc Peck, have you try VS2012 ? I just use it to some feature to the launchpad, but until now I like it
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