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This will be Microsofts biggest ever flop, far bigger than Vista.

  1. #1521


    Posts : 1,925
    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by machare View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by jbfoster View Post
    What was wrong with Windows 8 ?
    If Windows 8 contained all the features of W7 and allowed you to run the Metro interface if you wanted to there would be little to complain about. However they decided to remove various features like the start button, gadgets, Virtual PC (32 bit version). I remains to be seen whether this was a wise move.
    Gadgets were removed from Windows 7 as well. They have a large security flaw in them that can get your computer owned by a virus or malware.

    The start button is not a "feature" it's a UI element. The Start Menu is a feature, the button itself is just a way to access it, and the "button" is basically still there when you go to the corner, it's just hidden.

    Windows 8 Pro has Client Hyper-V, which as you note requires 64 bit. But honestly, I don't know why you would want to run a virtual machine on a 32 bit computer, since you won't have a lot of free RAM to work with. If it really bugs you that much, get the Free VMware player.

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  2. #1522


    Posts : 10
    Windows 8 Customer Preview


    I have used both the Consumer Preview and Release Preview and now the final release. I installed a third party start menu and actually enjoy having both the standard desktop and modern UIs. I am quite comfortable bouncing between the two depending on what I want/need to accomplish. I have a new Asus Windows 8 laptop and enjoy using multi-touch gestures on the touchpad (didn't get a touch screen laptop).

    My complaint about Windows 8? Where on earth are all the apps? The app store selection is pathetic to be generous. Other than Netflix Skype Evernote news and the basic apps, there isn't much of anything out there. With such a limited app store selection, I certainly wouldn't recommend Windows 8 to anyone - unless they absolutely need a new PC. In this day and age, it really isn't so much the hardware or the operating system, ITS THE APPS!!!
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  3. #1523


    Posts : 534
    Windows 7, Windows 8 RP


    Quote Originally Posted by AncientDragon View Post
    I had the choice of doing a quick format or a clean wipe and knew beforehand that a clean wipe would take quite a while. I'm not complaining about that.

    I removed Windows 8 and replaced it with Windows 7. I would return my copy of Windows 8 to Best Buy if I could, but since I opened it I won't be able to do that. So, instead I'll just use the dvd as a coster to put my beer on. Even if I could make Win8 look like Win7 there would be no purpose in doing so. IMHO Win8 is a flop, worse than Vista.
    Lesson learned, always check whether your AV software supports the OS you install it on. BTW, the latest Norton 360 does support Windows 8.
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  4. #1524


    Posts : 3
    Win 7 at Work Win 8 Laptop at Home


    I'm trying to like W8. I really truly am. A huge fan of windows 7 and defender of how awesome it has been in editing and creating over 18,000 blog posts using Live writer and Live Movie Maker for my blog.Wanting to buy a new laptop I figured I'd give W8 a shot even after hearing folks complain about the lack of the Start Menu (didn't seem like a huge deal to me) and simply pressing the windows key and getting to the desktop which I pin my desktop applications to didn't seem like a huge deal but the more I try to give it all a go the more frustrated I am with how all of it gets in the way of me just getting down to business with wasted key strokes.It's a complete and total pain in the butt.I'm trying to be patient. I want it to work for me. But I'm leaning toward returning this computer that I bought and buying one with 7 if I can find one similarly spec'd.Am I wrong in that the metro apps are dumbed down?Am I the only one bothered that I don't have the time displayed in the lower left corner while I work so I can keep track of how much time I have left before I need to do other things?In the photo app when I right click on it shouldn't I be able to choose a program I'd like to work with it like a photo editor? Why do I need to close out of the metro photo app, close it down and then go to my desktop locate the picture file and open it in windows live photo editor? Kills me. Why aren't the file numbers available to me so I can make note of which one of the ten shots of the same scene I took with different camera settings I'd like to edit?Driving me nuts that I feel like I'm fighting this OS every step of the way. I must have written a dozen posts extolling the virtues of Windows 7 but there's no way in hell I could recommend W8 to anyone I know when I consider myself confident and a windows geek and I've done nothing but struggle. I can't imagine my mom trying to figure it out.
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  5. #1525


    Posts : 534
    Windows 7, Windows 8 RP


    Quote Originally Posted by BobLenx View Post
    My complaint about Windows 8? Where on earth are all the apps? The app store selection is pathetic to be generous. Other than Netflix Skype Evernote news and the basic apps, there isn't much of anything out there. With such a limited app store selection, I certainly wouldn't recommend Windows 8 to anyone - unless they absolutely need a new PC. In this day and age, it really isn't so much the hardware or the operating system, ITS THE APPS!!!
    You realize Windows 8 was released a little over a week ago? It was released with over 4000 apps, when the iPad was first released it had barely 2000 apps. Perhaps you should give developers some time.
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  6. #1526


    Posts : 92
    Windows 10 (64 bit)


    It seems many people who tried Windows 8 woud have also liked the best Windows 7 features to be available in Windows 8. Many users seem to be coming up with work arounds to try to get the features they miss. This is not the way Microsoft should be designing an OS since it is like them telling us "We know what's best for you".
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  7. #1527


    DeLand, FL
    Posts : 380
    Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit


    Quote Originally Posted by BobLenx View Post
    I have used both the Consumer Preview and Release Preview and now the final release. I installed a third party start menu and actually enjoy having both the standard desktop and modern UIs. I am quite comfortable bouncing between the two depending on what I want/need to accomplish. I have a new Asus Windows 8 laptop and enjoy using multi-touch gestures on the touchpad (didn't get a touch screen laptop).

    My complaint about Windows 8? Where on earth are all the apps? The app store selection is pathetic to be generous. Other than Netflix Skype Evernote news and the basic apps, there isn't much of anything out there. With such a limited app store selection, I certainly wouldn't recommend Windows 8 to anyone - unless they absolutely need a new PC. In this day and age, it really isn't so much the hardware or the operating system, ITS THE APPS!!!
    Agreed, the App Store is pretty lame. I've noticed that a lot of what is up there right now is junk However, give it a little time. Developers are still just learning to write to the platform. The software development tools are pretty impressive. I'm just learning it myself.

    I spent the last year "hating" Win8 myself. Misplaced hate. Once installed on my machine it took very little to adapt to it. It's essentially Win7 with a new subsystem (Metro) in the background. Runs fast and stable. Everything works. I, like a lot of people, made a big deal over this. It really is OK. Give it a little time to mature. OK, so Aero is gone. It's not THAT big a deal. A bit flatter but colors can be adjusted to make it look fine. I'm finding that the new desktop has a slightly different "character" to it but it's not unpleasant to look at.

    Does this mean I'm going to trade in my iPhones and iPads? Nope. However, since I've been developing to the Microsoft platform since Microsoft existed I'll continue with the platform. What I'm seeing so far is competent. It just needs time for the developer community to come on board with it. If you don't like it, don't use it, that's all.

    -Max
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  8. #1528


    DeLand, FL
    Posts : 380
    Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit


    Quote Originally Posted by captjoe06 View Post
    I'm trying to like W8. I really truly am. A huge fan of windows 7 and defender of how awesome it has been in editing and creating over 18,000 blog posts using Live writer and Live Movie Maker for my blog.Wanting to buy a new laptop I figured I'd give W8 a shot even after hearing folks complain about the lack of the Start Menu (didn't seem like a huge deal to me) and simply pressing the windows key and getting to the desktop which I pin my desktop applications to didn't seem like a huge deal but the more I try to give it all a go the more frustrated I am with how all of it gets in the way of me just getting down to business with wasted key strokes.It's a complete and total pain in the butt.I'm trying to be patient. I want it to work for me. But I'm leaning toward returning this computer that I bought and buying one with 7 if I can find one similarly spec'd.Am I wrong in that the metro apps are dumbed down?Am I the only one bothered that I don't have the time displayed in the lower left corner while I work so I can keep track of how much time I have left before I need to do other things?In the photo app when I right click on it shouldn't I be able to choose a program I'd like to work with it like a photo editor? Why do I need to close out of the metro photo app, close it down and then go to my desktop locate the picture file and open it in windows live photo editor? Kills me. Why aren't the file numbers available to me so I can make note of which one of the ten shots of the same scene I took with different camera settings I'd like to edit?Driving me nuts that I feel like I'm fighting this OS every step of the way. I must have written a dozen posts extolling the virtues of Windows 7 but there's no way in hell I could recommend W8 to anyone I know when I consider myself confident and a windows geek and I've done nothing but struggle. I can't imagine my mom trying to figure it out.
    Joe ... just use a desktop photo app. Metro apps aren't supposed to be as complex as desktop apps. Some have said that the desktop is going to go away. No way. The supporting infrastructure (industry) for desktop apps is too massive.

    My machine is primarily for development. I have literally dozens of desktop apps. Nothing is broken: nothing. I can still use this machine exactly as I did under Win7 but now can go into the Metro if there's an app I like there. If you're having trouble I think you're working too hard to use the Metro like you would Win7. Just proceed using your desktop apps as you normally do and bring in Metro stuff gradually as you find things to use there. I'm serious: I am a die-hard desktop developer (for many, MANY moons). This thing isn't giving me ANY trouble at all.

    -Max
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  9. #1529


    Posts : 5,360
    7/8/ubuntu/Linux Deepin


    Yes, but MS would only do that if they felt they needed to in a commercial sense.

    I assume you referring to desktop users.

    MS have decided they can do it their way and the users don't have much choice.

    There is no effective competition ( unless you are on of the very few who can use Linux - or have the entry price for a macbook - most don't ).

    The average user just gets what they are given and puts up with it.

    Quote Originally Posted by PaulGo View Post
    It seems many people who tried Windows 8 woud have also liked the best Windows 7 features to be available in Windows 8. Many users seem to be coming up with work arounds to try to get the features they miss. This is not the way Microsoft should be designing an OS since it is like them telling us "We know what's best for you".
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  10. #1530


    DeLand, FL
    Posts : 380
    Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit


    Quote Originally Posted by R0bR View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by BobLenx View Post
    My complaint about Windows 8? Where on earth are all the apps? The app store selection is pathetic to be generous. Other than Netflix Skype Evernote news and the basic apps, there isn't much of anything out there. With such a limited app store selection, I certainly wouldn't recommend Windows 8 to anyone - unless they absolutely need a new PC. In this day and age, it really isn't so much the hardware or the operating system, ITS THE APPS!!!
    You realize Windows 8 was released a little over a week ago? It was released with over 4000 apps, when the iPad was first released it had barely 2000 apps. Perhaps you should give developers some time.
    Precisely. Something I've just noticed, too. Microsoft must not have any kind of Q/A process on the app store right now because a lot of what I've played with today is pure junk. They're just trying to garner interest in the platform. It's competent, it will work but it needs some time. The tools provided for developing the Metro apps are impressive. Just give us developers some time to come up-to-speed. It's a new way of developing (Swiss Style).

    No ... Metro won't beat iOS at it's own game, at least not for quite awhile. However I think it's got at-least a decent shot at making it.

    -Max
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This will be Microsofts biggest ever flop, far bigger than Vista.
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