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This will be Microsofts biggest ever flop, far bigger than Vista.

  1. #1491


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    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Why does everyone seem to think Metro is an all or nothing proposition? The argument seems to be "Well, I can't do EVERYTHING I want to do in Metro, so Metro sucks and I won't use it for ANYTHING".

    This is a really bizarre philosophy, and I really don't get it. I'm not sure if people are just looking for reasons to justify their dislike of change, and once they find one they seize upon it and use it claim how they were right all along, and metro is useless..

    I've seen this over and over and over.. and It's just plain strange. Use Metro apps if you like any given metro app. Use a desktop app if you like a desktop app. You CAN do both. It's not an all or nothing proposition.

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  2. #1492


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    Windows 8 enterprise x64


    Quote Originally Posted by evereti View Post
    Does it have a desktop?
    only the Surface-Pro at $??? will have it
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  3. #1493


    Posts : 154
    Win7


    What's tragic is that millions of users are just discovering and falling in love with Win7 and now they're cut off from it on new PC sales which is where many/most get it. So they'll be trying to adjust to something that's not at all intuitive and seemingly unworkable on non-touchscreen PC's.

    It pains me that MS didn't even have time to enjoy creating in Win7 the best OS ever. There was really no pause before (an over-reaction to Ipad) changed all focus to Win8 leaving those of us serving an avalanche of WIn7 consumers in forums to suddenly feel like unwanted stepchildren. I want to be loyal and not appear ungrateful for their recognition but wonder if demonstrated loyalty to Win7 is enough.

    So the parallel with Vista seems possible since there should be an option given to downgrade new PC's, just as there should have been an option to have a Start menu. Having a huge wall of buttons slam down between you and your work to do simple Start menu functions is jarring and not something those who've learned to be productive with Windows will put up with.
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  4. #1494


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    Windows 8 enterprise x64


    Just wait to see when peoples will realize they can't install desktop apps in their Surface, I'm pretty sure the majority of buyers will buy it thinking " it's Microsoft Windows, so my software will run on it" .
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  5. #1495


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    7/8/ubuntu/Linux Deepin


    Do people in general have a dislike of change?

    That is a strange idea.

    Seems to me most rush to get the newest gadgets, phones, etc.

    It is also the reason the word "New" appears on so much packaging.

    It is also one of the reasons win8 devices might have a chance of getting some sort of slice against the Apple devices - precisely because they are new.

    Iphone/pad have been around a while. They are beautifully made and marketed - are seen as premium products- and a huge app. store.

    Not easy for windows - but the new factor should help. Not sure it will be enough to make a big dent in what Apple has established. but it should at least get some sales. We shall see how it goes.

    Seems to me if people say they don't like it - that is simply because they don't like it. Damn all to do with fear of change or any similar tosh. It just means MS has failed to make a product they like. There is no point in trying to blame the consumer.
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  6. #1496


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    1st W10 Professional x64/W7 Ultimate x64 - 2nd Remote system: W10 Insider Builds/W7 Professional


    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    Not necessarily. If you are staring at it most of the day - how it looks can be surprisingly important.

    Most purchasing decisions are based largely on how a product looks and feels. The correct design is vital to get a product sold.
    And how true that is! When people start seeing a desktop model that looks too much like the Tablet sitting on display near by they will start wondering what's up with 8 when the Tablet is running RT! I had a chat with someone who went retail 8 and the loss of Start button he hate! He also hates no longer being able to play any videos in WMP 13! since MS removed that type of media support.

    Quote Originally Posted by AncientDragon View Post
    I installed Windows 8 Pro as an upgrade to Windows 7 a couple days ago on my touch-screen PC, no problems. This morning after I turned on my computer it auto updated something, then crashed all the data on my hard drive, hundreds of file system errors that Windows 8's repair program could not fixe. For the past three hours I had it wipe my hard drive clean (it's only 43% done) so that I can install it again. If it doesn't work this time I'm just going to reinstall Windows 7. I'm glad I have two PCs at home.
    It sounds like the retail is worse buggy wise then the RP then! While having the CP in a dual boot with 7 everything loaded up fine when booting into 8 from the 7 BCD. Once I tried out the PC Refresh option in the RP however and started booting into 7 from 8 all H broke loose and both versions ended up freezing up solid upon clicking the first thing on the desktop once Windows finished loading! The Disk Check tool found volume of disk errors unlike any previous dual or multi boot even between Windows and Linux!

    Quote Originally Posted by gregrocker View Post
    What's tragic is that millions of users are just discovering and falling in love with Win7 and now they're cut off from it on new PC sales which is where many/most get it. So they'll be trying to adjust to something that's not at all intuitive and seemingly unworkable on non-touchscreen PC's.

    It pains me that MS didn't even have time to enjoy creating in Win7 the best OS ever. There was really no pause before (an over-reaction to Ipad) changed all focus to Win8 leaving those of us serving an avalanche of WIn7 consumers in forums to suddenly feel like unwanted stepchildren. I want to be loyal and not appear ungrateful for their recognition but wonder if demonstrated loyalty to Win7 is enough.

    So the parallel with Vista seems possible since there should be an option given to downgrade new PC's, just as there should have been an option to have a Start menu. Having a huge wall of buttons slam down between you and your work to do simple Start menu functions is jarring and not something those who've learned to be productive with Windows will put up with.
    The MS focus was all towards the new Surface Tablet line-up and the H with the desktop concept as far as actually spending time on a new desktop Windows version. They simply slapped the RT gui onto the updated MinWin kernel with a couple of new thrills and a few OS tweaks and called it a day for "8"!

    While Vista slumped from the lack of accurate information as far as system specs it was an improved Windows but larger in size to start with all the new features as well as improvements in security. At least when Aero was first seen you still had the option for the Classic theme showing MS left a door open for 2000, XP users to still see the older style inplace.

    With 8 however the time wasn't spent providing options for what should have been but simply isn't the next actual desktop version of the Windows OS. No setup options even are provided for things like the Start orb and menu for those without touchscreens! and running 8 as an upgrade. They would have been better off simply calling 8 the desktop edition of RT showing it wasn't the next desktop version to begin with.

    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    Do people in general have a dislike of change?

    That is a strange idea.

    Seems to me most rush to get the newest gadgets, phones, etc.

    It is also the reason the word "New" appears on so much packaging.

    It is also one of the reasons win8 devices might have a chance of getting some sort of slice against the Apple devices - precisely because they are new.

    Iphone/pad have been around a while. They are beautifully made and marketed - are seen as premium products- and a huge app. store.

    Not easy for windows - but the new factor should help. Not sure it will be enough to make a big dent in what Apple has established. but it should at least get some sales. We shall see how it goes.

    Seems to me if people say they don't like it - that is simply because they don't like it. Damn all to do with fear of change or any similar tosh. It just means MS has failed to make a product they like. There is no point in trying to blame the consumer.
    While many rushed at Vista seeing a new side bar and gadgets they became disappointed fast by the false lead they got as far as minimum system specs which lead to the bad rep there. With 7 after the Vista bad rep was spread people by then had already updated things as was pointed to before. You could still see the side bar and Windows Mail re-enabled in 7 which worked for many.

    Gadgets on the desktop and pinning items to the task bar rather then a stretch out Quich Launch carryover from the XP days was an appeal as well as seeing the backup options improved which includes the option for a full system image seen in all editions including Starter being another "step in the right direction" for MS!

    Stabily was seen in both Vista as well as 7 while 7 is obviously the much more responsive OS when loaded down good like often seen here! I tax 7 and it remains consistent which wasn't what was found in 8 however. Sadly while MS is striving to compete in the mobile market we know what has been the result in the desktop pc area.

    The user will have to decide for themselves if 8 will actually work out for them or not at their own risk I should add as now you are hearing even more complaints no longer about the CP or RP but the finished product. Many didn't like XP at all but were stuck with it or reverting back to either a Legacy version if not 2000. Many skipped over XP from 2000 into Vista on the other hand and don't like 7 much! Some have gone back to Vista from 7. Others went back to XP.

    The market is always a place of infinite choices while not every possibility is realized. When putting something out there it will need a degree of appeal which many are not finding in 8 while others are. Acoording to all of the blog writers if you go by them only over 75% disapprove of 8 already with no plans to upgrade. But then the media likes to sensationalize things as well.
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  7. #1497


    I'm on my third day of Windows 8 Pro, and it's running great. I installed it on top of the free Preview version with no problems, added a third-party start button and a third party program that allows me to use gadgets, and I'm happy.

    When I downloaded the free e-booklet "Windows 8 for Dummies," I learned how to use the Start Page (formerly called the Metro Interface) properly, and it runs great.
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  8. #1498


    Quote Originally Posted by Mystere View Post
    Why does everyone seem to think Metro is an all or nothing proposition? The argument seems to be "Well, I can't do EVERYTHING I want to do in Metro, so Metro sucks and I won't use it for ANYTHING".

    This is a really bizarre philosophy, and I really don't get it. I'm not sure if people are just looking for reasons to justify their dislike of change, and once they find one they seize upon it and use it claim how they were right all along, and metro is useless..

    I've seen this over and over and over.. and It's just plain strange. Use Metro apps if you like any given metro app. Use a desktop app if you like a desktop app. You CAN do both. It's not an all or nothing proposition.
    Why would I want the extra complication in my life of trying to remember which UI to use for which app????

    The simple fact is that the none of the Apps on Metro are up to the job, so using your logic I will go to the apps I like and they are on the Desktop, so Goodnight Metro.

    I totally agree with Gregrocker, what a shame we were just getting to love Win7 when oops its gone.

    I have no doubt Win8 will have a loyal following with all the Winboys, just like Apple Fanboys would never dream of owning a Galaxy. I'll stick with Win7 until it dies of old age.
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  9. #1499


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    1st W10 Professional x64/W7 Ultimate x64 - 2nd Remote system: W10 Insider Builds/W7 Professional


    I was "Sold on 7 but Stumbled on 8" is how I have to look at it. Unfortunately 8 is one of the versions I can easily do without! I missed out on 2000 and certainly not on ME when skipping from 98SE right into XP after SP1 was out. The 98SE/XP dual boots actually lasted until neither newer sound cards or newer boards saw any driver support for the old Legacy version there while some dos emulators still work on the 64bit 7.

    Unfortunately the only emulator found so far for oldie favorite of many while the more recent Duke Forever stinks crashes as soon as the second level loads!
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  10. #1500


    I had to reinstall Windows 8 Pro because my system crashed and destroyed all (or most) of the files on my computer. I think now the problem was not win 8 but incompatible version of Norton Antivirus 360. When I reinstalled I had it wipe the hard drive clean (took about 7 hours) and then did a fresh install. So far, so good. I'm glad I have two PCs at home, one with Windows 7 and the other now with Windows 8. I don't plan to upgrade the other PC from win 7 to 8 because I see no advantage(s) in doing that.
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This will be Microsofts biggest ever flop, far bigger than Vista.
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