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This will be Microsofts biggest ever flop, far bigger than Vista.

  1. #1461


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    Quote Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Night Hawk View Post
    I was aware of that. I never go strictly by what I see on any VM as far as any new OS is concerned but go by results from a normal install to a physical drive where I can look over everything.
    Based on your system specs, you should have been able to test W8 on a VHD.

    I couldn't create W8 VMs using VMware Workstation 7.
    The install would fail after a few seconds (HAL error?).

    I used VHDs for every preview and they behaved exactly the way I expect a physical install to work.
    I got a boot menu that allowed me to select W8, W7 or XP.
    I even had to install my hardware drivers from the appropriate CDs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Night Hawk View Post
    Too many down sides to make up for those few up sides!
    I installed "Classic Shell" in W8 Ent and apart from the awful colour scheme and lack of customisation, it was like W7, except that it used less RAM.

    I could tolerate (standard) W8 if I was forced to use it.

    BTW, I'm not trying to convince you (or anyone else) to buy W8.
    I have no plans to buy
    That last part sums things up for a good number of people which is one of the down sides no less. While I expected some degree of compatibility issues as seen at times with each newer version like going from XP to Vista and several things not going to work on Vista the difference there however was far more worked out over what has been found with 8. And I wouldn't run the 32bit 8 at this point just to see some of the old stuff run there that won't go on the 64bit 8 but run well on the 64bit 7.

    As far as VHDs none were needed since I originally planned ahead when building this case to allow for testing the next version to come as well as other types of OS testing by adding in the second OS drive now split up for system images as well as the 110gb swap and root for a distro presently on. Two other drives serve for the main storage and backup purposes on top of that.

    As a second OS they also removed media support that has been seen in Windows since WMP 10 was out for XP! While the Media Center now a separate paid for app wouldn't be any loss here having WMP set as the default video as well as audio player and then suddenly no video support with codecs and dvd support gone is a bit too much when WMP is also used for playback of video captures. They threw a monkey wrench into the works there as well!

    Quote Originally Posted by Mystere View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Night Hawk View Post
    Well here's another one for you! Maybe someone here can answer how to edit the MS store section? Lately someone from a non profit institution was asking how to edit that area since there no options such as right clicking on a Start screen button to unpin anything there! The school wants no commercial items for school pcs where they have their own school apps for students apparently.
    What do you mean by "Edit" the Windows Store? That doesn't even make sense to me. You can't "Edit" the iTunes AppStore. You can't "Edit" Google Play. Even if I understood what you were trying to get at, i'm pretty sure this is nothing unique to Microsoft and its app store.


    You can disable access to the store, this is done in group policy, and enforced on computers joined to the domain. That way users can't install any new apps, or even go into the store.
    The group policy idea if knowing just which one to disable would likely be the better option since you can't generally disable access from the Start screen to begin with. This is what the school wanted since they want all separate items removed or removed from view entirely.

    I had the feeling they also wanted to be able to add in their items while removing the prepackaged items but wouldn't be able to if the store is disabled entirely possibly for items that particular school carries like some type of year books or other. Those would be substituted for the items being sold at the MS store.

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  2. #1462


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    Quote Originally Posted by Night Hawk View Post
    The group policy idea if knowing just which one to disable would likely be the better option since you can't generally disable access from the Start screen to begin with. This is what the school wanted since they want all separate items removed or removed from view entirely.

    I had the feeling they also wanted to be able to add in their items while removing the prepackaged items but wouldn't be able to if the store is disabled entirely possibly for items that particular school carries like some type of year books or other. Those would be substituted for the items being sold at the MS store.
    Disabling the store does not disable any Metro apps (other than the store itself). So you can install whatever apps you want (and if they have enterprise editions, they can side-load apps without using the store at all) and still disable the store. Thus the configuration is exactly what they would want.
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    It is obvious that these people are having their first look at Win8.

    I have been running it for months in the Beta Versions & it is the wave of the future.
    The only real objection I have to Win8 is that it is trying to make us "MS Fan Boys".
    Win8 tries to force us to use MS features like Email & IE.
    If you don't have MS Email account you can't download the free Apps.

    The OLD MAN

    Tully
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mystere View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Night Hawk View Post
    The group policy idea if knowing just which one to disable would likely be the better option since you can't generally disable access from the Start screen to begin with. This is what the school wanted since they want all separate items removed or removed from view entirely.

    I had the feeling they also wanted to be able to add in their items while removing the prepackaged items but wouldn't be able to if the store is disabled entirely possibly for items that particular school carries like some type of year books or other. Those would be substituted for the items being sold at the MS store.
    Disabling the store does not disable any Metro apps (other than the store itself). So you can install whatever apps you want (and if they have enterprise editions, they can side-load apps without using the store at all) and still disable the store. Thus the configuration is exactly what they would want.
    One person had asked about changing the area in the store itself rather then disabling it entirely. That person however must have just recently loaded the RP on since it was about a week before the launch date but only asked that question without being more specific while the other was someone looking for a way to edit things out yet be able to add things at the same time.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tully View Post
    It is obvious that these people are having their first look at Win8.

    I have been running it for months in the Beta Versions & it is the wave of the future.
    The only real objection I have to Win8 is that it is trying to make us "MS Fan Boys".
    Win8 tries to force us to use MS features like Email & IE.
    If you don't have MS Email account you can't download the free Apps.

    The OLD MAN

    Tully
    Wave of the future? Mote like the wave of the Tablet since this is what you are seeing applied to what should have been an updated desktop version of Windows!

    All MS was strip some things down and rework the 7 kernel a bit to lay on the RT shell along with adding a new Lock screen and av being included to call it the next Windows version. You can still point and click but the gui was designed for Surface Tablet as far as the Windows RT with touchscreen for the touchscreen type Tablet. You still need a desktop OS for the desktop however!
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    For those people that are really bothered by the Start button being removed from the desktop, you can install the excellent Start8 from Stardock. This will restore the Start button on the desktop. There are other similar utilities from other companies, but I really liked this one as it works great and is easy to set up.

    If you spend a little time to understand how the new Windows 8 start screen works along with the keyboard shortcuts, you will realize that the start button on the desktop isn't essential or required to operate Windows 8. But it is a nice option in case you do miss the Start button on your desktop.
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    All I want is my Aero back. I can cope with the start screen replacing the start menu and all the other changes. The loss of decent looks on my desktop UI just grates on me. This forum has a better, fancier UI than the Windows 8 desktop now. Who at Microsoft thought that FORCING 100% of its users to use the same, ugly flat theme that coulda been done in MS paint by a 5 year old in the timespan of about 10 minutes was a good idea? They could have at least given me the option to switch the Aero features back on and use the theme from the CP or RP.

    I've had Windows 8 installed on my laptop since launch and I still can't get over this look and feel on the desktop. I'm considering just reinstalling 7 and being done with it. I can't stand it as it is now.
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    Classic Shell or Start Menu 7 are both free while Stardock wants a price tag on Start8 while Classic Shell is more customizable. Some others besides OEM vendors have worked on their Start orb/menu replacements including someone at the MS forums still in beta to bring back what MS took out.

    The lack of Aero certainly downgrades the look and feel as well as seeing the RT gui on your laptop, notebook, and worse on your desktop pc! Several laptop owners lacking a second drive went as far as replacing 7 without any way of seeing 7 put back on just to grab the CP or RP and decided against 8 entirely.

    In one sense while 7 won't be the new XP it will remain the more dominant version to say the least especially when more and more elect to revert back to a previous version. It isn't just one thing or another but a combination of things that would see that trend come about.
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    ugly flat theme that coulda been done in MS paint by a 5 year old in the timespan of about 10 minutes
    LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lazure View Post
    .Who at Microsoft thought that FORCING 100% of its users to use the same, .

    this one




    and his boss ,

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    Hardly the most flattering pics - couldn't you find something nicer?
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