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This will be Microsofts biggest ever flop, far bigger than Vista.

  1. #1431


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    Quote Originally Posted by PaulGo View Post
    After trying Windows 8 preview extensively in a virtual mode I have come to the conclusion I would not install it on my two PCs even if Microsoft gave it to me for free.
    That's ok. Curious though. The edges, which make 8 easy to use and multi task, are not so great in a VM.
    I agree. Would not use 7 even if they gave it to me for free.

    So, 8 is too awful and useless, so it will flop.
    Last edited by mdmd; 31 Oct 2012 at 15:51.

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  2. #1432


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    Still familiarising myself with windows 8 so not yet ready to claim it is useless. Have just bought a laptop (old fashioned keyboard/mouse/touchpad one) with w8 installed so had no choice, but struggling to understand why I get put into a start screen which, out-of-the-box, consists mainly of apps clearly designed for a phone or tablet. Mainly 'timewaster' apps in a work environment.

    My laptop has much more power than either of those platforms and my home page on switching the thing on should make it as easy as possible to take advantage of the multi tasking and vastly superior amount of screen real estate available for applications. I certainly do not need reduced functionality apps because lower spec'd platforms cannot cope with the full app. No problem with the principle of one OS for all, but the OS needs to let users make the most of their own platform.

    Still persevering, though, and am mainly finding acceptable workarounds for most shortcomings. It does smack of being an opportunity missed, though. I should not need to have to fight the OS. After all, the OS knows I am using a computer not a tablet or phone.
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  3. #1433


    Quote Originally Posted by APHI View Post
    Still familiarising myself with windows 8...
    I got on much better when I downloaded and installed a 'Start Button'. That way I had something I could use.
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  4. #1434


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    Windows 8 Pro


    I agree with most of your comments. I myself have become quite frustrated at times. There are two points that you mentioned that I have found workarounds for. My responses are inline.

    Quote Originally Posted by HPDeskjet View Post
    There is no option to turn off the Metro UI and just use the familiar Windows desktop UI with Start button in the bottom left hand corner most Windows users are used to.
    There are several third party applications that restore the Start Button functionality. I have tried a few and I like Stardock's Start8 the best. It's only $4.99 and you can try it out before you buy it.

    Start8 for Windows® 8 - Bringing back the Windows Start menu

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    Quote Originally Posted by HPDeskjet View Post
    As for trying to shut down your computer in Windows 8, it took me a search on Google to work out how to shut down the computer in Windows 8.
    There is a thread on this forum which provides a .REG edit file to add/remove Power settings to your right-click context menu. Here is the link:

    Power - Add Cascading Desktop Context Menu in Windows 8

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    I hope this helps!
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  5. #1435


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    1st W10 Professional x64/W7 Ultimate x64 - 2nd Remote system: W10 Insider Builds/W7 Professional


    Quote Originally Posted by Philgates View Post
    When I came across Microsoft's offer of downloading this new version of Windows for £24.00, I thought, what's the catch? Was there a catch? seems far too cheap a price for Microsoft, Well after installing and testing and every day usage, yes there clearly was a catch, and it is simply this, we have been conned into a new version of windows, which is simply a cut down concoction of windows 7, with a start interface that's clearly not desktop friendly and clearly designed for mobile and tablet devices. Why bolt this useless piece of software on to a desktop OS? Is Microsoft expecting users to, shift from their clearly superior iphone and android tablets and mobiles? If they are then they are deluded.

    Some are heralding the speed of Windows 8, well that's not too difficult to achieve, given the way Microsoft have stripped down the graphical user interface, removing Aero Glass, Dynamic Icon resizing, to name but a few of the obvious software butchery that has gone on. Metro or Windows Live tiles, now where do I start with this! Firstly very poor deployment in quality of presentation as a concept, that is in no way going to be a threat to Google's Android, or Apple IOS 6 interface, and the usual Microsoft buggy experience in practice. Out of the box, there were too many Metro/Live tile apps from the Windows 8 market that failed to work correctly, from News apps to Net Radio to Video, all falling over on first run! Why was I not surprised, it's after all the Microsoft way. One can be forgiven for thinking that this version of Windows is a rather frantic attempt to keep up with the current revolution going on in the Google Android and Apple market.

    In conclusion forget the Microsoft Hype, this was clearly a missed opportunity by the Giant to make sound progress on their Windows 7 version, Windows 8 is a miss match fudge of ideas, that clearly demonstrates that Microsoft are losing their way. With the wealth of resources both financially, and intellectually, it's hard to believe that this version of Windows is the best that Microsoft could have come up with, to say that this is a missed opportunity is an understatement, and I'm sure most will feel it's even a waste of the modest £24.00.
    I think MS goofed up not with Windows 8 but not seeing 8 out yet! They made the mistake of naming the Surface RT desktop edition as Windows 8 since they didn't have any new desktop version to offer! They were too busy working on the mobile product line!

    Stripped down Windows or small better for embedded touchscreen OS? You wouldn't be using Media Center on a Tablet or playing dvds in WMP on a Tablet either! Why keep what won't work for a hand held?

    Your conclusion is accurate as well since 8 has turned out to be nothing but a major disappointment as far as the desktop is concerned being a filler until MS actually does come out with the next "Desktop" version and not simply a quick toss of the RT on pcs! 7 was an automatic winner from the start being a working desktop version 99% were satisfied with upon first sight while 8 has been a major turnoff with MS going off into the mobile fantasy land somewhere abandoning a working success formula realized in 7.

    Quote Originally Posted by PaulGo View Post
    After trying Windows 8 preview extensively in a virtual mode I have come to the conclusion I would not install it on my two PCs even if Microsoft gave it to me for free.
    You should consider yourself fortunate not to have installed on anything more then a VM then! The dual boot across two separate drives between the CP and then the RP with 7 turned out to be disasterous with 8 being far from dual boot friendly! When booting the CP from the 7 boot options no problems at first besides the majot gui overall to overcome with the help of 3rd party addons necessary.

    Once the RP which refused to install on VM Player at all went on all H broke loose when trying out the PC Refresh option which then saw 7 added into the 8 boot options automatically as that clean installed the RP all over again. Good Bye both versions! when the volume of drive errors ended up seeing both versions frozen solid until bailing 7 out with the Disk Check tool until that was to later see a clean install. Both versions could not work together in any dual boot as far the 8 BCD config there!

    I paid out $319.99 a few years ago for a "working OS' and wouldn't be planning to buy an Android competitor even if it was open source type available meaning simply download free from MS! It's not a working formula as any actual replacement OS as far as 7 is concerned! It was desgned with the Surface Tablets in mind but ended being slapped onto the new OEM machines since MS lacked a working desktop edition!
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  6. #1436


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    You get power menu options much more conveniently from many of the start menu replacements.

    Some of them also skip that awful start screen thing.

    Classic Shell is free. It is highly customisable, too.

    Some oem's are putting their own start menu variants into their machines.

    Ludicrous how MS say they removed it due to lack of use ( as if ).
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    Sony and Toshiba were the first in line for the Start substitutions. With Classic Shell you can also change the default grey seen in the Start menu there too. Note this from their FaceBook entry. "If you prefer white sub-menus over grey, you can go to the 'Skin' tab and turn on the option."

    For right clicking on the desktop you would normally do that for the Personalization section but is also a fast way to get at the Control Panel without any main Start menu where "Settings>Control Panel" had been seen! As far as shutdown options as well as the Setttings and Apps bar, Crawler tool bar?

    You can spend all day on the VBox RP install and never even see that popup regardless of how many times you move the cursor over this or that spot showing a guaranted to fail method for the main items besides programs you need access to! If MS want to dump the single menu start orb concept as far as a desktop edition the main task bar could have been reworked to see multiple jumps and still allow you to pin items at the same time much like adding on a Quick Launch tool bar for divding things up and still retain the jump list methology only with a new look as well as ease of use.
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  8. #1438


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    Quote Originally Posted by Night Hawk View Post
    8 has turned out to be nothing but a major disappointment as far as the desktop is concerned
    A major disappointment.

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  9. #1439


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    Quote Originally Posted by mdmd View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Night Hawk View Post
    8 has turned out to be nothing but a major disappointment as far as the desktop is concerned
    A major disappointment.

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    I don't get it.. are you referring to that image?
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  10. #1440


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    No. NH has been on this thread forever. Making extremely sophisticated points that escape me.
    I was being sarcastic.

    Shut down options: Too complex?

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This will be Microsofts biggest ever flop, far bigger than Vista.
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