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This will be Microsofts biggest ever flop, far bigger than Vista.

  1. #131


    Again, the fundamental question for MS should be: What is our base user? Is it someone who only uses the PC to play games or is it the individual (like me) who spends most of his day behind the PC working - writing, editing and producing films, doing research, etc. In addition, my team does our accounting on the PC, we produce from books to magazines to web pages on the PC.

    What we don't do is spend countless hours on FB or Twitter or playing games. To me and my group the PC is an incredible tool for work. It is not someone else's tool to sell me stuff. That is another reason I don't like the Metro interface because it is tied to Windows Live. I don't think it is coincidence that the first box in Metro is 'Store.' Keep it.

    Most of the people I associate with are in my group. I would be surprised if they switched to something like Win 8 and its new Metro interface. And we are part of that base that have been working on PC since they first came out in 1983.

    Give us speed and functionality and a reliable tool to work with - we are not interested in playing games or in buying third party products unless we make a particular choice to do so.

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  2. #132


    Rotterdam, The Netherlands
    Posts : 117
    Windows 8 Pro 64-bit, Windows 7 SP1 64-bit, Windows XP SP3 32-bit


    Quote Originally Posted by mcquicker View Post
    Give us speed and functionality and a reliable tool to work with - we are not interested in playing games or in buying third party products unless we make a particular choice to do so.
    Here, here. What I don't need in the working environment is load of brightly coloured Metro start tiles that would look more in place on a Fisher Price toy computer.
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  3. #133


    Posts : 1,353
    Windows 8 Pro/Windows 8 Pro/Windows 7 64 Bit64Bit/Windows XP


    You know what Deskjet you sound just like a guy I was talking to years ago when Windows first came out, he said he hated it and that Windows would never catch on. I'm pretty sure I've heard all the same comments every time MS has brought out a new Version of Windows, and guess what, over 90 % of people are using it.
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  4. #134


    Denmark
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    Windows 8.1 64bit Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by Golden View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by whs View Post
    Who needs the Metro. I am going back to the old days and work with keyboard shortcuts. Here are my favorites (there are a lot more): Try Win+X that a member posted earlier. It is really neat.


    Desktop ---> Win+D
    Metro ----> CTL+ESC
    Charms ----> Win+C
    Explorer ----> Win+E
    Search ----> Win+F
    Settings ----> Win+I
    App Bar ----> Win+Z
    Closing Apps ----> Windows + CTRL + TAB
    System Programs ----> Win+X
    Nice Wolfgang. Is there a shortcut for shutting down? What on earth is the quickest way to just shut-down the system?
    Shut Down ---> Alt+F4

    About speed and windows 8 vs windows 7. I have a spare SSD, and I installed windows 8, ran windows update and then timed boot and shut down times.
    Then I did the same for Windows 7, installed, windows update, timed boot and shut down times.

    Well, boot times are allmost the same (within 2 seconds) but shut down times windows 8 is about 5 seconds quicker.

    I also ran PCmark Vantage, can you guess which had the best score? IT IS THE SAME!! (on my PC, Core i7 860@3,3Ghz, 8G ram, GTX580, Intel SSD 1. generation)

    I think, that when W8 feels more speedy than Windows 7 it might be because of new installed OS with no installed programs or services. Granted there is a little difference in W8's farvour, but not so much as written in this thread. Maybe I will have to rethink this when Windows 8 has been filled up with programs, and has run for severel month as my main OS (windows 7) has. Maybe Windows 8 is better at keeping this "new install" speed?

    The new restore functions in Windows 8 is great news though, but Metro interface? No, not for me. To me it looks like they changed it just because they can. Many people will like it, but very few people will do better with this tahn with ordinary desktop.

    Why is it, that more and more programs, games and now also the OS itself on a PC MUST look as a phone or a consol, why can't it just look as a PC? Many games are going backwards on PC because the game also must fit into a crappy consolehardware, and only have some eyecandy topped up to please Nvidia and AMD. And now the OS is also a (poor) portable platform, because phone and desktop should look and feel "the same". Well, if everything should "feel" the same, then we would have pedals in our cars, so they would "feel" the same as when we take our bicycle!
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  5. #135


    Posts : 562
    W10 x64 pro and W8.1 x86


    It's quite interesting comparing comments here with those on the W7 forum of 3 yrs ago when beta's were being run.

    W8 really does seem to have an image problem at the moment. Wheras the W7 issues seemed more on the practicalities of installing specific progs etc, W8 is really being slated at the moment on the way it looks and interacts with the user. A lot of the W7 comment was favourable... most liked the way it worked.

    This will be an interesting 12 months
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  6. #136


    This will be the new xp and what I mean by that is people will just stick to windows 7, because there is no new or very little features in 8 that 7 does not have.
    I have tried the cp and went back to 7, I also ran into some issues with certain software being a bit funny.

    Windows 8 will be brilliant on a tablet but not on a desktop.
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  7. #137


    BillWindows: The reason people used/use Windows is because MS never forgot who they were designing the program for. If you remember, the first big hit on the PC was Lotus 1-2-3 in DOS OS. That was not a game, it was a tremendously effective application. Now, of course, the PC can do much more than it did back in the 80s. Yet, I don't know ANYONE who buys a PC solely to go in FB or Twitter, or simply to buy things. The reason most people spend money on a PC is for work. After spending the best part of 3 days on Win 8, I can't say that is the reasoning behind the Metro interface. You have a the Store app, then you have the Pictures app, then you have the Share app. . . give me a break.

    My view is that unless the Metro/Desktop interfaces are interchangeable, as long as Win 8 is viewed as a bridge for tablets and mobile phones, the core base of PC users will not upgrade from Win 7, which is a reliable and fast OS.
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  8. #138


    Could not agree more with previous poster, I will stick with 7 or just use osx.
    Microsoft might have lost me with this one.
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  9. #139


    Rotterdam, The Netherlands
    Posts : 117
    Windows 8 Pro 64-bit, Windows 7 SP1 64-bit, Windows XP SP3 32-bit


    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    You know what Deskjet you sound just like a guy I was talking to years ago when Windows first came out, he said he hated it and that Windows would never catch on. I'm pretty sure I've heard all the same comments every time MS has brought out a new Version of Windows, and guess what, over 90 % of people are using it.
    I'm not against Windows 8. I'm more than certain that the Metro UI will work exceptionally well on a tablet or mobile device. Of that I have no doubt. However, I am still not totally convinced that Metro, in its current form, is the correct interface for the desktop/ laptop environment. By the looks of the comments of other contributors here I am not alone in my opinion.

    Surely, the whole point of a consumer preview is to give MS feedback, whether that be positive or negative. Microsoft will no doubt be following this and other forums to see what kind of discussions are going on. If you expect everybody here to act like Apple fanboi's and say that it's all wonderful and gorgeous then there is no point in MS releasing a consumer preview to the public. You will note that I have never said that the actual OS is no good, in fact quite the contrary. Windows 8 is an improvement on several levels over Windows 7, which I also tested. In fact I was early adopter of both Vista and Windows 7. I could never understand the negative reaction to Vista as I never had a bad experience with it. Windows 7 pre-releases were far more buggy than this CP, yet it was obvious that it was going to be a success from it's early days. Microsoft listened to their customers and made certain changes to Windows 7 before the final version was released. So, your assumption that I "sound just like a guy I was talking to years ago when Windows first came out" is somewhat unjustified in my opinion.

    With a few tweaks to the UI interface for desktop users Windows 8 could be a great success for MS. I do very much hope that MS do listen to some of the more negative comments over Windows 8, take them onboard and make the few changes that could make Windows 8 as successful as Windows 7. To me that does not sound like someone with a luddite mentality.
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  10. #140


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    Windows 8 Pro/Windows 8 Pro/Windows 7 64 Bit64Bit/Windows XP


    If you dont know anyone who buys a PC for Facebook or Twitter or to buy things you cant get around much. Millions of people buy computers for just these things including games and emails and Voip etc. The problem for MS is that people are now buying tablets to do these things and guess whose tablets they're buying, you guessed it Apple.
    People are also buying phones to do these things, and guess whose phones they're buying, you guessed it Apple and Android. The biggest problem for MS is that if all these young kids grow up using iPads and iPhones, guess what system they're going to use when they grow up.
    This is a tough time for MS they have to keep up or lose market share, I personally think they are heading in the right direction, if not, I'm wrong and Microsoft is wrong and soon all you'll see is overpriced Apple computers. I hate Apple stuff, I build my own computers, and want to keep doing so, so I really hope MS gets this right.
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This will be Microsofts biggest ever flop, far bigger than Vista.
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