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This will be Microsofts biggest ever flop, far bigger than Vista.

  1. #1381


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    I have got Windows8 from MS as a download for a cheap price. "Metro" is a pain in the a..., but desktop is running fine, and boottimes are really nice, it seems.
    BUT ... I got some hardware-problems, that seems to be unsolved for the moment, so I won't switch from Win 7 just now. My 2 biggest problems
    1) I am an OC'er, my Intel-CPU is OC'ed to 4,3 Ghz, but in win8 it runs at topspeed all the time, so it is getting very hot.
    2) USB 3 performance is really bad compared to Win7.

    And, of cource, win8 is so much more ugly!!! Bad looking windows, bad colors, no gradient colors, allmost back to windows 95.
    On the good side, win8 is a great trainer for my brain, since I now will have to memorize a lot of shortscuts because of the "different" desktop experince.

    Sorry for my bad English, I have had some beers, and English is not my first language :-)

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  2. #1382


    [/QUOTE]Thanks Hippsie. I felt it was worth the money for the improvements to the OS kernel, despite having to do hacks to get what best suited my way of using Windows. And the hack Ex7ForW8 actually grabs files from W7 installation disc when installing. So you end up with the exact same Orb Start Menu with all functions. You never see "Metro", but can click a toggle switch to turn off Explorer 7 and go back to Explorer 8 with Metro. My only concern is updates might make it inoperative. But even then I think some other alternative will come up. And I was willing to bet my money on that, which was all of $149 with disc.

    Cheers M [/QUOTE]

    A better kernel from what I read. I understand yours and others complaints on choice, or rather no choice at installation. I think MS is truly aiming to teach the common general public the new UI to gain market share. I feel they knew that the savvy would find a way to personalize the system if need be. Or possibly a choice in a 9 to cater to enterprise. By that time the general public will be well on their way with Metro. I'm quite sure they have a plan laid out. They certainly don't want to lose that sector. They'd be absolutely out of their minds if they neglect that. I just don't think they are the evil empire that some think them to be. A hard-to-deal-with corporation as they all are, yes, but not an evil empire.
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  3. #1383


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    1st W10 Professional x64/W7 Ultimate x64 - 2nd Remote system: W10 Insider Builds/W7 Professional


    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    One may or may not like Metro.

    I don't care.

    What I don't like is MS trying to control everything - removing choices.

    If they get away with this - the future looks very bleak.
    Too much "manipulationary nonsense"! The Metro or as later blog writers hinted MS as renaming to the "Modern" which looks more like a degression then progression to better is the flimsy attempt at bringing out a touchscreen gui on the desktop/laptop OS with a lengthy list of drawbacks!

    Someone asked why the dual displays turned off in only 5 minutes after just having purchased and installed the OEM 8 Pro where that one was pointed to hitting the desktop button and right clicking on the desktop to click the Control Panel>Home link>Power options from the Personalization screen.

    Newbies with 8 are baffled since they no longer see the usual Start>Settings>Control Panel item they are accustomed to and get lost until eventually finding their way around. And with all those extra steps in order to do that with the "Modern"... blah blah bull you can be assured a good number of people are going to be regretting they went for 8. That's the hard fact there!

    Quote Originally Posted by ash30000 View Post
    Microsoft need to keep both the Tablet and Desktop/Laptop PC market alive, I like the UI but I do think it would have been better if Microsoft had released this as a Tablet edition and another OS for standard PC users which still focuses on the good old desktop UI.
    MS is keeping the Tablet part alive bringing in the RT edition. That's the totally separate embedded OS on their new Surface Tablet line-up since they got into coming out with their own brand of hand helds to compete.

    The Modern is the flimsy attempt at bringing the same type of gui onto the laptop and desktop pc market as someone was saying to bridge the gap between platforms which in turn will likely fall flat on it's face. The lack of "innovation" as far as the desktop is concerned makes this a disaster for the 17yr. later major revision of the desktop over the triumph originally seen with 95 over the initiate everything at the dos prompt dilemna 1.0, 2.0, 3.1, 3.11 faced.

    Right from the start the obvious "Lack Of" the key word "Options for the user" shows how this type of drastic change will end up working against MS not for it. It won't be from them losing their shirts but the desktop customer base if they carry this on past 8!
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  4. #1384


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    I've ripped 8 upside down and sideways for the desktop but I went to the new Microsoft store tonight (actually not a store but a big kiosk in the mall) and it was packed with people trying out the Surface. It's pretty cool on the tablet. Didn't know what to think of that keyboard before tonight but I liked that, too. It was so crowded I didn't spend much time there, and I don't know what people's reactions were afterward, if the price is right, if RT is a killer, etc. But the interest is definitely there right now.
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    The RT is in it's right place being a Tablet OS found on a new line of MS Tablets. Likewise you would you not think it wouldn't be jammed packed when people fall asleep in line waiting for the latest Fruit company offering which is usually an "I" something or other. IT'S THE NEW THING! which amounts to wanting it for prestige over practicality.
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  6. #1386


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    Quote Originally Posted by Night Hawk View Post
    which amounts to wanting it for prestige over practicality.
    I cannot think of anytime anywhere when anybody bought anything from Microsoft to gain prestige.
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  7. #1387


    Posts : 15
    Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit


    This is not only a question of learning, even if that could be questionable, too, because teaching and learning have changed through the ages. Human beings are almost the same for at least 10,000 years, scholars. However, learning has been continuously changing, so todayís teaching technics are very different from those at post WW2 times. It is true that many people would prefer not having to learn, but we canít limit the opposition to that point alone.

    We have to recognize that some people here mentioned some obvious things that seem having been overlooked. HPDeskjet, for instance, wrote:

    Quote Originally Posted by HPDeskjet View Post
    I do agree that the actual Windows parts are improved and it does seem slightly faster than Win7. I'm certainly no MS basher. I've been using a Windows Phone with Mango since November 2011 and really, really like the Mango OS. My experience with Windows 8 has been completely the opposite. Frustrating and annoying, which says a lot for someone with more than average knowledge of computers. The tablet/ mobile phone environment is not the same as the desktop one.
    SIW2 said:

    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    One may or may not like Metro.
    I don't care.
    What I don't like is MS trying to control everything - removing choices.
    If they get away with this - the future looks very bleak.
    In this tread there are many other references regarding other subjects that cannot be overlooked. The problem finding how to shut down the computer is a minor case because since Windows 3 that Alt-F4 closes whatever has the focus and if we click on the desktop and do it the close options dialog box appears. A long time ago, we could also minimize a program window with Ctrl-F4.

    There are too many other wrongs. The desktop looks flat like in Windows 95, no gradient colors, no 3D simulation, just rubbish for pigs; we canít configure the OS as we would like and used to, and there are tutorials in this forum on how to do some changes in the registry which we used to do in simple ways; the Windows Color and Appearance configuration window is gone and we canít even change the fonts because this is much more difficult in the registry since the values have been progressively changed from text strings to dwords.

    I think there are too many problems not learning related that should not be disregarded. What I do believe is that this push from MS is a marketing coup, as I said before and like others wrote:

    Quote Originally Posted by ash30000 View Post
    Microsoft need to keep both the Tablet and Desktop/Laptop PC market alive, I like the UI but I do think it would have been better if Microsoft had released this as a Tablet edition and another OS for standard PC users which still focuses on the good old desktop UI.
    Quote Originally Posted by Night Hawk View Post
    The market depends on satifying the customer or it simply doesn't sell. It won't matter how good or bad something is if the consumer isn't getting what they are looking for in any way, shape, or form. With Vista people simply didn't understand that Windows grew in size as MS realized finally and came out with MinWin kernel to replace the bloat rep the previous version saw.
    area 66 also point out the MS market position clearly, but I donít believe it will go just like the typewriter because it has more uses.

    Windows 8 follows the not new MS marketing target: get new customers, dopes used to work with a calculator. We canít blame them for exploiting suckers, but not everyone will like it for sure.

    We canít overlook any of this, but still, isnít it ridiculous that some people, even some of those who like Windows 8 confess they put shortcuts on the desktop to avoid going to the start menu on another screen? Other improvements aside, isnít this a downgrading caused by marketing options? Whether people will pout at it or not, time will tell us.
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  8. #1388


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    Quote Originally Posted by Neophile View Post
    We can’t blame them for exploiting suckers
    Your entire thesis is bogus. It's whining.
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  9. #1389


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    Quote Originally Posted by mdmd View Post
    I cannot think of anytime anywhere when anybody bought anything from Microsoft to gain prestige.
    The way you and some others comment? I wouldn't be so sure. Not saying that to knock you. I'm just saying it is what it is. Presumably, you believe 8 is the best OS out there, which is fine. You also find it inconceivable that others don't see it that way, and I can't really fault you for that either. But a few posts back you concurred with someone who said 8 "requires re-learning and is too much trouble for dopes." That, my friend, goes beyond mere disagreement and points to thinking you're of a higher standing.
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  10. #1390


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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel Travis View Post
    Presumably, you believe 8 is the best OS out there, which is fine. You also find it inconceivable that others don't see it that way
    Actually, I am a fan of 8 because I dislike 7. Could anyone conceive of that? Never said 8 is the best OS. My points are typically aimed at issues that many raise, IMO, that seem to be a simple process. I would never go on the other forum and complain about 7. As far as standing, perhaps there is some evidence. It might be a failing, but I have earned it. I doubt 8 will be a flop. Do not care about cloud conspiracies. ...get annoyed by so-called special types who are not helpful. I was an English Major before I finished in Computer Science.
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This will be Microsofts biggest ever flop, far bigger than Vista.
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