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This will be Microsofts biggest ever flop, far bigger than Vista.

  1. #1341


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    I know only too well what I am deliberately avoiding.


    Quote Originally Posted by ivy8 View Post
    The problem is that people just don't give it a chance. I have no problem with it, it took me less than 2hrs to work with it. That being said, I also spent the last three days going through some Win 8 books, but still. The UI for me is irrelevant. The kernel changes are way more important. Those on 7 don't know what they are missing out.

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  2. #1342


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    I can't understand why Microsoft is doing this?
    I am afraid it is worse than you think.

    It is an attempt to wrest control away from the user.

    Eventual aim is that users will have some simple thing they jab at - all else is in the cloud.

    Programs or "apps" will all have to be approved by MS - even now win8 is deliberately locked down to restrict choices.

    Unless the users reject this thing, in only a few years they will wonder how we got into this awful mess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    I can't understand why Microsoft is doing this?
    I am afraid it is worse than you think.

    It is an attempt to wrest control away from the user.

    Eventual aim is that users will have some simple thing they jab at - all else is in the cloud.

    Programs or "apps" will all have to be approved by MS - even now win8 is deliberately locked down to restrict choices.

    Unless the users reject this thing, in only a few years they will wonder how we got into this awful mess.

    I get that. I guess I just can't see the market going along with them. Of course, I could never understand why some people believed Barack Obama either, or that some people are still believing him even though he spews nothing but provable lies and whose policies glaringly contradict everything he says he believes in. So I guess I can see how dumb people can be.

    The corporate market could never be replaced by touch screen technology, I am an IT professional, have been for 32 years, I just can't see it happening for another 20 years at least. I could see how the market could seriously split, with two Windows lines moving forward. I do wonder where gamers would get pigeonholed. Would they be relegated to the Xbox? Would the hard core PC gamer get forced out? Will the Gaming software companies decide it is not profitable to continue with PC games if the desktop splits into two worlds, the corporate leaning desktop O/S, and the tablet leaning "Metro" O/S?

    I have always hated Microsoft. They have been brutal on the competition over the years. as good as it was, it could have been much better were it not for Microsoft's severe bullying and monopolistic practices. Many an innovative company has fallen to the overwhelming might of Microsoft. Heck, I used to work with Microsoft's Jim Allchin (now retired) at a small company called Banyan, which got bullied and slammed by Microsoft. We had the best WAN software on the planet. It was infinitely scalable unlike Microsoft's products. We were huge in the early 90's until Microsoft forced a license deal and crushed us. With vast sums of money you can do almost anything.

    The only force stronger than Microsoft is the user base. We have to be the ones who guide the future by putting our collective $$$ to work where it benefits us. This is why I have no intention of buying another Apple iPhone. I don't want to support Apples protectionist game plan. The users have to be smart. Yes the iPhone is cool, yes it's well made, but damn, all the good apps are in the Cydia store. It's probably only a matter of time the Jailbreaks will fail to function.

    You are right, we have to reject Windows 8 and all other attempts at corporate protectionism.
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  4. #1344


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    Quote Originally Posted by HPDeskjet View Post
    Iíve been trying out the Consumer Preview for a couple of days now and it looks as though MS have chosen to make using the desktop UI in Windows we all know as difficult and frustrating as possible. On logging in for the first time you are confronted with the Metro start screen. It then takes ages to find things like the Network Centre, Control Panel, Windows Explorer etc. as they are not on the initial Metro start screen. You have to hunt around the entire OS to find them and then either make shortcuts to the Metro UI or pin them to the desktop taskbar to access them quickly. MS have also deliberately removed the old ĎStartí button from the bottom left hand corner of the desktop screen, making it a nightmare to navigate anywhere if you want to quickly open a programme that is not pinned to your desktop taskbar. This makes trying to work productively a complete joke. Whoever thought that removing the START button from the desktop screen was a good idea should be taken out and publicly flogged and pelted with rotten vegetables. A decision some brainless cretin at MS seems to have made.

    As for the Metro UI start screen, it works well on a mobile phone or tablet maybe but certainly not in the desktop environment. You can no longer simply install shortcuts to programmes on your desktop screen, they get placed on MSís new Metro start screen, a screen designed specifically for tablets and touch screen monitors in combination with swipe movements on the touchscreen. The entire Metro UI is designed for swiping across the screen on a tablet, not for desktop use with keyboard and mouse. There is no option to turn off the Metro UI and just use the familiar Windows desktop UI with Start button in the bottom left hand corner most Windows users are used to.

    As for trying to shut down your computer in Windows 8, it took me a search on Google to work out how to shut down the computer in Windows 8. Shutdown Windows 8 Consumer Preview ę FAQforge Unbelievably user unfriendly.

    This is going to be a disaster for Microsoft, a bigger flop than Vista ever was. I already dislike Windows 8 and thatís only after 2 days of using it with a keyboard and mouse. No company in their right mind is going to buy this nonsensical operating system when it comes to IT productivity and ease of use. What on Earth are Microsoft thinking? That companies will all dump their desktop computers and buy tablets with a 7″screen to use Windows 8 in the workplace and pay for a lot of IT training so employees can find their way around this horror? I really donít think so. Excel spreadsheets and writing long reports in Word on a 7 or 10 inch screen with touchscreen keyboard. Nice experience? Mmm, Idonít think so. More like buy Windows 8 and lose lots of money through a lack of productivity.

    So far, using Windows 8 is turning out to be the most frustrating and unenjoyable experience Iíve ever had on a desktop computer. MS have got a lot of work to do in order to make Windows 8 user friendly enough for those who prefer desktop computing to get any productive work done.

    If this is the future of Microsoft Windows it looks as though Iíll either be sticking with Windows 7, or Iíll be switching to Linux. By the looks of it I wont be in the minority. Welcome to Vista 2 from Microsoft.

    windows8 is great as it is not fully released so we need not go mad .. i love windows 8.. as it goes by new apps and new styles are ready to hit the market .. all are taken care .. neway i am lovin it ... long live windows 8
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    Three days in the life of a once and former Microsoft Surface RT user

    I predict that the scenario I'm about to present here will happen over and over and over again. This is not going to be pretty.
    Let's follow a typical consumer, Kevin, as he goes to buy a Microsoft Surface RT.
    Last week, Sean Hollister of The Verge called a bunch of Microsoft Stores and spoke to representatives. The dialog I'm going to use for the store reps comes from real representatives who gave Sean these (very wrong) answers. Special kudos go out to Sean for doing this research.

    Three days in the life of a once and former Microsoft Surface RT user | ZDNet
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    These articles have something of a point, but they ignore the fact that people deal with this stuff all the time. They don't buy Macintoshes and expect to run Windows apps (without bootcamp or a vm). They don't buy Android tablets expecting to run iOS apps. Maybe some people will be confused by the "Windows" moniker, but I don't think It will be as common as most people think.
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  7. #1347


    Quote Originally Posted by ivy8 View Post
    The problem is that people just don't give it a chance. I have no problem with it, it took me less than 2hrs to work with it. That being said, I also spent the last three days going through some Win 8 books, but still. The UI for me is irrelevant. The kernel changes are way more important. Those on 7 don't know what they are missing out.
    What about those of us on windows 7, who have used Windows 8 pretty extensively from consumer preview to preview release, to RTM who have chosen to forgo Windows 8 and just stick with Windows 7? I know exactly what I am missing. To you, the UI is irrelevant, to somebody else it might be a much bigger deal.
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  8. #1348


    Quote Originally Posted by Mystere View Post
    These articles have something of a point, but they ignore the fact that people deal with this stuff all the time. They don't buy Macintoshes and expect to run Windows apps (without bootcamp or a vm). They don't buy Android tablets expecting to run iOS apps. Maybe some people will be confused by the "Windows" moniker, but I don't think It will be as common as most people think.
    Ditto:thumbup:

    It's two new products similar in name, but specifically named differently for different functionality. Throw in that each Windows OS has been a singular product since inception, so this causes assumption.

    Perhaps MS was not on the ball in training sales personnel in due time. Of course, they need to correct that. The products are new, so there will be some confusion. I say give time for all to be educated in the differences.

    On the other hand, it may be the author taking advantage of isolated incidences to jump on the negative bandwagon. After all, it's easier to be negative.
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  9. #1349


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    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ivy8 View Post
    The problem is that people just don't give it a chance. I have no problem with it, it took me less than 2hrs to work with it. That being said, I also spent the last three days going through some Win 8 books, but still. The UI for me is irrelevant. The kernel changes are way more important. Those on 7 don't know what they are missing out.
    What about those of us on windows 7, who have used Windows 8 pretty extensively from consumer preview to preview release, to RTM who have chosen to forgo Windows 8 and just stick with Windows 7? I know exactly what I am missing. To you, the UI is irrelevant, to somebody else it might be a much bigger deal.
    Why stick with 7? All I see are improvements that 8 gives you . . .
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  10. #1350


    Quote Originally Posted by ivy8 View Post
    Why stick with 7? All I see are improvements that 8 gives you . . .
    Like no start button, no gadgets, no games, no Virtual PC (on 32 bit version), no rounded corners on windows, no media centre (after initial free offer.)

    Good points are faster start than W7, better handling of two screens if they are a different size, and more flexible PUL licence.
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