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This will be Microsofts biggest ever flop, far bigger than Vista.

  1. #121


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    Quote Originally Posted by HPDeskjet View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by cleanclothes View Post
    Love the guts of the OS though, certainly seems to be snappy and quick! =)
    That's the tragedy of forcing the Metro UI on to desktop/ laptop users. It is simply an inappropriate interface. Fine for a 10 inch tablet or smartphone, if all you want to do is check your mail, surf the web in a minimal fashion, play a few games in apps or listen to a bit of music. It's not suitable for a desktop on which you want to get any REAL work done.

    The new Windows 8 features, and I'm not talking about the Metro side of things, are actually very good. Less CPU use and it is faster than Win7.
    Agree 101% over some of the new features. The speed is superior but that's without any programs being loaded on my PC but time spent (wasted) simply getting to where I am now with Win7 and it simply isn't worth it. Does MS really think that your day to day user to going to take the time out - I doubt it. Like Vista, they will take one look and have the UAC pop up every time they try and do something and demand a return as to how things were. IMO it wasn't MS that launched Win7. It was the demand made by the OEM's that forced their hand. On a marketing front I can see how MS are thinking. Get folks using the Metro UI and they will automatically want it on their phone as well. Also forget about selling software, there's more money in a monthly rental package plus of course the percentage spin off from all those downloaded apps. Apple could easily give their hardware away and live comfortably on the app download income.

    I hope MS releases another consumer preview with the classic UI option but don't hold your breath. They (MS) insisted upon ribbons for the Office suite, hence you've still got many individuals and companies using Office 2003 or an open source alternative. Personally, I've had enough of the Metro test drive and have better things to do. Whether MS listens to what is being commented on I very much doubt but here's another not very positive article:-

    Why Windows 8 could be the next Vista - IT Opinion from V3.co.uk

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  2. #122


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    On a marketing front I can see how MS are thinking. Get folks using the Metro UI and they will automatically want it on their phone as well. Also forget about selling software, there's more money in a monthly rental package plus of course the percentage spin off from all those downloaded apps.
    Microsoft lost the mobile phone battle years ago. They may like to think that people will want Metro on their 'phone but they are now far too late in joining the global mobile phone market. Windows Phone is already a flop, it's not taken off in the way MS thought that it would. It's been one big mess from the beginning and it has a bad name as far as most consumers are concerned. Their market share of the mobile phone market is about 4% globally, way below their own expectations for WinPhone Mango. Even Nokia's Windows Mobile Phones are selling in far fewer number than MS and Nokia expected and the Metro interface is never going to change that. It would be absurd of Microsoft to think that people are about to rush out and buy a Windows Mobile Phone because of the Metro UI.

    I personally have a Windows Phone and think that Mango is a good OS. However, I do not want a hybrid Mango UI, Metro, on my desktop as it is an inappropriate interface for that environment in my opinion.
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    It would be absurd of Microsoft to think that people are about to rush out and buy a Windows Mobile Phone because of the Metro UI.
    I agree but there's a great deal of absurd thinking going around with marketing people these days. Who would have thought Nokia would have been in the position a few years back that they find themselves in now. Like them or hate them but you've got to hand it to Steve Jobs, he was a great marketing guy and drove Apple to where they are now. Things though just don't seem to be the same since Bill Gates took semi or was it permanent retirement. Anyway, we'll see what comes out of all of this.
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  4. #124


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    Quote Originally Posted by mart4494 View Post
    It would be absurd of Microsoft to think that people are about to rush out and buy a Windows Mobile Phone because of the Metro UI.
    I agree but there's a great deal of absurd thinking going around with marketing people these days. Who would have thought Nokia would have been in the position a few years back that they find themselves in now. Like them or hate them but you've got to hand it to Steve Jobs, he was a great marketing guy and drove Apple to where they are now. Things though just don't seem to be the same since Bill Gates took semi or was it permanent retirement. Anyway, we'll see what comes out of all of this.
    Steve Ballmer wrecked Microsoft in my opinion due to his complete lack of vision. He forced the only creative person in the company, J Allard, to leave. Then it all went downhill. Who would have thought 10 years ago that Apple would be where it is now? Certainly nobody at Microsoft.
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  5. #125


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    This is probably going to be the biggest fiasco in the history of computers. Even in the history of capitalism or thie history of human kind.

    It i the biggest horror I have ever seen. I can't find proper adjectives, but grotesque, absurd, holy disaster, psychotic or schizophrenic are even short to describe this thing.

    Who is responsable for Windows 8? Windows Phone 7 is sick, fugly and fail enough, but Windows phones are a little irrelevance while Windows is what the whole world uses and is necessary for the survival and daily functioning of billions of people.
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    Steve Ballmer wrecked Microsoft in my opinion due to his complete lack of vision. He forced the only creative person in the company, J Allard, to leave. Then it all went downhill. Who would have thought 10 years ago that Apple would be where it is now? Certainly nobody at Microsoft.
    Well I guess we will find out whether MS is living in a bubble and not taking constructive comments on board or whether they do listen.
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  7. #127


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    Quote Originally Posted by mart4494 View Post
    It would be absurd of Microsoft to think that people are about to rush out and buy a Windows Mobile Phone because of the Metro UI.
    I agree but there's a great deal of absurd thinking going around with marketing people these days. Who would have thought Nokia would have been in the position a few years back that they find themselves in now. Like them or hate them but you've got to hand it to Steve Jobs, he was a great marketing guy and drove Apple to where they are now. Things though just don't seem to be the same since Bill Gates took semi or was it permanent retirement. Anyway, we'll see what comes out of all of this.
    The difference is simple. You see an Apple product and it is all logical, well designed and beautiful. I never used Apple because I am not rich and paying more for having less is out of my rational mind based on practicity.

    But it is obvious and undeniable even for Apple haters that their products are superb and catch your eyes, while Microsoft has gone back to its root of disaster design and ideas. Windows 7 was a lost island of good design and good ideas if you managed to solve, change, forgive and forget the idiotic new big taskbar and start menu. The rest was good design and good ideas with excellent performance and improvements.

    Now Microsoft has gone into acids and crack with this monster. The design alone is so horrendous, so crazy... combining the Metro ultra suffocating modern tiles crap with the traditional windows desktop is like having a schizophrenic system in front of you which is sometimes classic and sometimes modern depending what you click. Like filling Venice with modern crystal and steel buildings and changing all the traffic signals, laws and regulations in one night, not knowing where to find anything anymore and discovering that all the changes are total nonsense.
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    Come on guys it's really not that bad. IMO W8 isn't as radical as I imagined it would be, I had serious doubts from seeing the DP and wondered how I'd cope with an OS with a seemingly split personality, but the reality is if you're a desktop user you stay in the Desktop 90% of the time. Just personalise your Start Screen and see it as an App Launcher and it works fine. I really appreciate the upgrades to the Desktop side of things and don't want to go back to W7. I just wish I could get 8 to recognise my CD/DVD drive and I'd switch to it permanently.

    I do think MS should give the option to enable the traditional Start Menu though. Most of these comments are negative and if they don't get Tech people on their side they're going to struggle to sell this OS, which would be a shame as it seems a nice upgrade from W7.
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  9. #129


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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivid Blue View Post
    I do think MS should give the option to enable the traditional Start Menu though. Most of these comments are negative and if they don't get Tech people on their side they're going to struggle to sell this OS, which would be a shame as it seems a nice upgrade from W7.
    I think the removal of the Start button from the desktop was deliberate. I'm sure Microsoft have removed it in Windows 8 CP to see what the reaction is from people using the OS on desktops/ laptops in the real world. I'm quite sure that it will be back on the final version of Windows 8 as they must already be terrified by the comments here and elsewhere regarding the matter. If not, they can kiss goodbye to any businesses buying Windows 8 and that will hit them where it really hurts. Their corporate portfolio of customers, many of whom still haven't bothered moving from XP to Windows 7. With Window 8 and Metro they have even less of an incentive to move away from XP.
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  10. #130


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    Hi all
    Why don't we create a MARKET for this on BETFAIR -- I'll LAY GOOD ODDS that W8 will be a Winner

    --- after you've got the preconceived ideas out of the way and don't try and imagine it's Windows 7 Plus you will actually LIKE IT.

    I agree that some geeky souls who are on keyboards all day long and on mobile phones at night typing away might have trouble since they actually have to CHANGE what key strokes they enter.

    You can make W8 incredibly slick -- you can get rid of 90% of the tiles if you just want to see a few apps -- and by selecting File Location you can then send the app as a short cut to your desktop - or the task bar or both.

    I never did like having a cluttered desktop -- the Taskbar is a good idea - simple and quick.


    Going over this whole thread I STILL can't understand what the fuss is about. Pretty well everyone I've shown it to LIKES it once you explain some of the quirks.

    Remember also that it's NOT a finished product yet so there are BOUND to be some changes.

    I've found after barely 2 days that going even back to W7 seems like going back 100 years --

    AND it actually got a driver for the SONY MMC stick as well as the standard SD card in my built in dual reader -- W7 enterprise could only get the SD card part of the reader to work. !!!

    Anyway lets make the BETFAIR market. I'll win I'm sure. !!

    Cheers
    jimbo
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This will be Microsofts biggest ever flop, far bigger than Vista.
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