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This will be Microsofts biggest ever flop, far bigger than Vista.

  1. #1281


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    LOL PP, that is what I meant.

    I saw a video ( sort of ) - but I didn't see an awesome video.

    Unless the poster meant awesome in the sense that it inspires dread of what is to come.

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  2. #1282


    Quote Originally Posted by Tully View Post
    Remember the brick phone?

    It evolved into the IPhone of today!

    Do we miss the "Brick Phone"? Hell no! Most people don't even know what it is.

    It only seen it in old movies

    I wouldn't call it an evolution, more of a merger. As phone tech got smaller, the brick evolved into the flip. Then someone came up with the idea of mixing a phone with a PDA and now we have the smart phone. Roughly half of cell phone users still do not have a smart phone.

    The brick phone is not missed because it was replaced by something less cumbersome. Just like the command line is not missed by the unwashed masses because they view the GUI as less cumbersome. The Metro interface might be less of a problem for people who only use five or six applications. I watch people trying to find stuff on their iPads and it is downright comical. I don't want to be doing that on my PC.

    My Win 7 desktop is setup to look like Win 98. Yeah. I don't want aero or any of that stuff. I want the stability of a good operating system but I don't want to have to spend weeks figuring out how to run my applications. Windows 7 did not require a fundamental change in the way that I work. From what I've seen of Win 8, that is not the case.
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    Interesting point about changing the fundamentals. In the long run however I doubt you will find 8 will be the replacement for 7 but MS going off on a mobile adventure just having a desktop version available while experimenting in the competative market with Fruit basket and Googlitis!

    The drasticity of change is what is throwing most off while not everyone here is out to stab 8 to death either. The way MS is bringing in the touchscreen type gui while trashing the conventional wisdom for the desktop employed in both Vista and 7 is where most are annoyed as a result. While 8 will be a starting point MS is tossing a might look like this type gui on the market too fast over working out a user friendly gui for this type of major change knowing the populace is set on doing things as business as usual not retrain on everything to use an expermental mobile orientated OS on their desktops.

    The comment about newer is not always better accurately sums things up when looking back at Vista'ss annoying side bar suddenly thrust on the desktop following the initial clean install of that version. For some "Gee i love this new gadget loaded side bar and all the thrills that go with it!". For 7 MS made the improvement of seeing gadgets on the desktop without need for a side bar! MS thought things through carefully.

    For 8 however where did the desktop go is the expected normal reaction. Despite the improvements reported at the core levels for security, stability, hardware detection, and other things to learn more about the user experience has been thrust into a rock and a hard place!

    For Tablet and Smart phone with intercapacitive ssreens 8 will likely get a foot hold for MS to enter the market while the desktop will suffer for most. AGPek has their line-up of Android models with touchscreen to compete with Windows 8 phones and Tablet PCs where the Modern is in embedded 8.

    The one thing to know about embedded OSs however over OSs you can reinstall is the limitations on everything! There are few settings even for IE available once you embed the OS while the Fruit company has their own app solutions. Try downloading any mobile app to a cell phone and call it a day fast since it won't happen!

    Windows 8 will become the Great Experiment into the less buky market place to begin with as MS faces off with it's rivals! Someone comment on how well 8 will sell since marketing research along with market surveys have already been performed? They didn't survey the desktop market of traditional users too well.

    Simplicity with 8 wraps around touch screen a bit too much for the conventional desktop user. The desktop not regular mobile user while yes most are familiar with multiple interfaces will suffer a plight of where is everything until the user learns the ropes! They will then wonder why replace what is working for them just because it is new for something they have to reschool over?
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  4. #1284


    Windows 7 will live on for a very long time, even longer than XP (I believe). It simply works and works well.

    Windows 8 should have been a revision of W7 with the desktop still in mind.
    Concurrently, or maybe a bit before hand, they should have released Windows M. Yes, "M" for Mobile. THAT would be what W8 is minus the desktop option.

    Anybody here own an iPod Nano? Talk about a device that has gone through an extreme identity crisis. "Am I the smallest portable music player ever? Or am I the smallest media device with the richest feature set? Or, maybe I'm kind of like a mini iPod Touch. I don't know what the hell I am." When the iPod Nano 6th generation came out, I was horrified. What did they do to that wonderfully powerful 5th generation? No more video or camera? No more click wheel? But then I started using it for workouts and realized it's fantastic... so small, easy to clip onto my running shorts, and I'm good to go. Yet they abandoned it for something more like a mini Touch, with a large touch screen. They should keep making the 6th generation and perhaps even improve upon it a little, because it's such a terrific form factor for exercising. But in the world of Apple, they don't play that way. Maybe Microsoft is following suit in their own way.
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    Well you could see it named Windows M/T or Mobile/Touchscreen with a side note about not for desktop use! As MS tries to get back on the 2-3yrs. time table for each new verson road again they left a gap for every second version to address the more serious desktop market place while focusing 8's efforts on coming out with a ... ? whatever you want to call it!

    They already a drastic gui change and getting anyone to buy would also mean dropping the prices tremously! No retail full install versions to be sold on disk! The OEM for System Builders comes in at $99- for either the 32bit or 64bit flavor one disk per license. That covers the equal to Home or Home Premium as well as Pro editions. The $70 tag is seen for the upgrade media as well as the upgrade buy online and download other option where you receive a product key card when preordering and later get the download link upon 10/26.

    The advice still given for those considering a look at 8 however is keep what you have now and use a separate drive to see a stand alone install of 8 there! I've heard too many quickly dump 8 over 7 or Vista or XP and then want the older back once they are soon fed up and frustrated with 8. MS knows why they are not charging over $200 for 8 Pro!
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  6. #1286


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    Windows 8 Leaves Users Dazed and Confused

    Windows 8 resistance: users confused by new UI, miss Start button
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    This one sums up what 8 is far better! Surface RT tablet available for preorder: Why I am waiting | ZDNet

    I'll wait!
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  8. #1288


    Quote Originally Posted by cytherian View Post
    Anybody here own an iPod Nano? Talk about a device that has gone through an extreme identity crisis. "Am I the smallest portable music player ever? Or am I the smallest media device with the richest feature set? Or, maybe I'm kind of like a mini iPod Touch. I don't know what the hell I am." When the iPod Nano 6th generation came out, I was horrified. What did they do to that wonderfully powerful 5th generation? No more video or camera? No more click wheel? But then I started using it for workouts and realized it's fantastic... so small, easy to clip onto my running shorts, and I'm good to go. Yet they abandoned it for something more like a mini Touch, with a large touch screen. They should keep making the 6th generation and perhaps even improve upon it a little, because it's such a terrific form factor for exercising.
    I have a Nano.... 3rd generation, the one with the 'landscape' display, and I'm still very happy with it. My kids have 5th generation Nanos; they like mucking about with the camera (and thereby draining the battery and filling up memory), but I just use mine to play music. I, too, was dismayed when the 6th generation came out. What, I thought, will I do if my Nano dies on me? Try to find another on Ebay, or get a non-Ipod-player? Not being the exercising type, I am still dismayed about the 6th generation version. I mean, I can see a market for such a thing, but why replace the 'normal' Nano? They could have given the new one another name ('Ipod Pico'?), and kept the old one. Now Apple have saved the situation with the 7th generation - at least I think so, as I still haven't see one in the shops (wasn't it supposed to come out last month?), and I'm a bit worried about the touch screen - too prone to accidental touches (like my smartphone).
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    When I first took a look at the IPods I said "give me a break! $300-?!". It was actually more like $274- for a price tag but that was ridiculus to start with! The tiny shirt pocket sized box with a flimsy set of ear phones and super thin wires wasn't too appealing but simply showed the Fruit company's overpricing on things people still rush out to grab!

    The cell phone that ran for $70 has a camera and will play mp3 files without problems with a blue tooth head set. Texting and a limited browser if you want to call it that for far less with phone service. I considered a Smart Talk smart phone but tended to shy away from shelling out too much on something I mainly use for quick callls and breif text messaging mainly when someone else would have their phone off or wasn't able to take calls.

    Convenience for the constantly on-the-go person while not practical for the only periodic use. The touchscreen gift I ordered for a sibling runs Android there but with a wider WiFi capability since that person had been on dial-up until Verizon messed up the phone lines! I have suggested cable with Voice over IP to solve the tv, phone, and internet dilemna. You might ask if a Windows Phone would have been another option.

    For checking voice mail as well as email, messaging, lve chat where do you end up most of the time? Right back at your desktop! Regardless of the messaging option you use whether Windows Live, Skype, or other everything is instant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PaulGo View Post
    That guy is a tool. We still had to train users when they went from XP to 7 and he expects to drop W8 in front of someone and command them to do something? You buy a Mac and your given time with a "Genius" for them to go over the OS with you. I could have given all those users a 10 second rundown of the basics of W8 and would have had a totally different response to it.
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This will be Microsofts biggest ever flop, far bigger than Vista.
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