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This will be Microsofts biggest ever flop, far bigger than Vista.

  1. #1211


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    Fredledingue, you couldn't be further away from the truth, sort of sound like the one guy we had over at Redmond when Windows 95 was in the last stages before it was released, he said something to this effect. "A Start Menu? How dumb is THAT? Why would anyone want to go the extra steps to open up a program WHEN it is already in front of them on their screens." NOW MS is following their plan, and moving away back to an iconish start menu, and here you go, uttering the same thing he said, but in reverse.

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  2. #1212


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Lonewolf View Post
    Fredledingue, you couldn't be further away from the truth, sort of sound like the one guy we had over at Redmond when Windows 95 was in the last stages before it was released, he said something to this effect. "A Start Menu? How dumb is THAT? Why would anyone want to go the extra steps to open up a program WHEN it is already in front of them on their screens." NOW MS is following their plan, and moving away back to an iconish start menu, and here you go, uttering the same thing he said, but in reverse.
    I don't like Win8 either but I agree Mike ... Metro isn't going to just "go away" either. Metro will be Microsoft's "future", however any idea that the desktop is going away is equally ludicrous. The two are probably going to co-exist for the next 30 years. You're going to have a tablet platform and a desktop platform, that's all.

    -Max
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  3. #1213


    Problem with Win8 is this one size fits all Metro menu which doesn't scale very well with different PC setups. I think MS underestimated how many Desktop PC users are out there. The reason why PCs aren't selling because most folks already have PCs and don't need anymore. The iPad is iconic, it's a simple device for anyone to pick up and use. Microsoft tries to take the same idea but stretch it and that's the wrong approach as I can't think of anyone with an iPad + PC would want a Windows 8 tablet when you look at what Windows 8 brings, there's no advantage and lots of disadvantages. For one, most people already have a huge apps and media investment on iTunes and so far I've seen a lot of iOS ports on Win 8 marketplace and no way I would spend money to re-buy these apps.

    I'm just not convinced that people would switch from an easy to use iPad to an annoying tablet Os that requires you to login and ask so many annoying questions when you 1st sign in.
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  4. #1214


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    Quote Originally Posted by Max Peck View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    I think many of us have been hoping that for a very long time.

    MS appear to be pushing for Metro everywhere and the removal of a desktop style workspace.

    I think they may be making it up as they go along.

    Much depends on the reception it gets.

    If they get enough resistance to monetarising the customers through a primarily consumption o/s -they may change direction.

    Possibly they already have it as a backup plan.
    I've noticed this even on MS's websites. The flat looking "Metro" look is showing up everywhere.

    Whatever. My systems are configured the way I want them and will last for years. I've got better things to do than fiddle with Win8 anymore. I'll continue to watch it but I've got work to do.

    -Max :-)
    I kknow that feeling all too well! While I'm not against anyone who likes the changes seen I think we both are reaching the same point of "NOT INTERESTED"! MS trashed the OS is just how many are seeing 8 as being!

    At least MS was smart in one way regardless of how people take 8 as. They came out with a working "7" OS before they took a gamble on experimentation for mobile and touchscreen! We at least have a good OS to run for several years still regardless of Metro", "Modern", or whatever it ends up being named as. That gives most something to fall back on!
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  5. #1215


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    Quote Originally Posted by Max Peck
    Whatever. My systems are configured the way I want them and will last for years. I've got better things to do than fiddle with Win8 anymore. I'll continue to watch it but I've got work to do.
    That pretty much sums up my attitude. I've got enterprise successfully up and running on an eSATA which runs on ext dock in top of tower. But frankly I've lost interest in W8. The hype and talk about has been done to death. I'll keep it to stay up to speed and see what future changes occur to bring it back to a normal desktop GUI/OS ... but no more serious work on it.
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  6. #1216


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mustang View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Max Peck
    Whatever. My systems are configured the way I want them and will last for years. I've got better things to do than fiddle with Win8 anymore. I'll continue to watch it but I've got work to do.
    That pretty much sums up my attitude. I've got enterprise successfully up and running on an eSATA which runs on ext dock in top of tower. But frankly I've lost interest in W8. The hype and talk about has been done to death. I'll keep it to stay up to speed and see what future changes occur to bring it back to a normal desktop GUI/OS ... but no more serious work on it.
    That about sums things up for most who are simply frowning at MS upon seeing this kind of drastic change lacking built in options and simply slamming at everyone as the new Windows! 7 is still a great strong desktop OS to begin with not loaded with bugs as seen with previous versions and mostly maintains a desktop OS.

    Here it was simply seen as a large disappointment with one look! I knew by the time the 7 RC was out that 7 would be run here for some time to come and anything that followed would likely be a hard sell. But that also provided MS the time frame to take a look at other things which they did.

    What it boild down to is a "Like It or Not" OS being introduced with 8! Vista's side bar was a simple obstacle you could disable while the Screen screen and other changes are not options with any alternative setup options available. You will likely see that limitation in the RTM as well since 8 has already reached that point. As far as seeing 8 all over the place MS is now going to keep promoting 8 regardless of how people feel about it since this will be their latest.
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  7. #1217


    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Lonewolf
    Quote Originally Posted by one guy we had over at Redmond when Windows 95 was in the last stages before it was released
    A Start Menu? How dumb is THAT? Why would anyone want to go the extra steps to open up a program WHEN it is already in front of them on their screens."
    NOW MS is following their plan, and moving away back to an iconish start menu, and here you go, uttering the same thing he said, but in reverse.
    And he was right: Why wasting the then very scarce hardware resources while you have icons on the desktop? + his logic has been verified: Poeple rarely use the Start Menu to launch softwares. Except that the Start Menu fills specific purposes that he didn't think of. Now some of these specific purposes have been removed, some totaly, other relocated. Thought the problem with Metro now is different.
    Quote Originally Posted by Max
    The two are probably going to co-exist for the next 30 years. You're going to have a tablet platform and a desktop platform, that's all.
    Coexisting on separate devices, certainly. Each device its own UI. On a PC it may survive as some poeple will like it. But it will be a tiny minority. A far cry from the revolution change MS is claiming. It will never be the default view on Desktop PC. It will be an option, MS likes it or not. Hell, it already is.
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    I think you are going to find that the desktop will remain despite all the new hand held gadgets. The workstation is far from dead. The problem will become the OS that will be run on it!

    Once you abandon the desktop concept entirely you also abandon the main customer base as well! This is also why the blog writers have been pointing out that MS is taking a large chance with 8 even while they couldn't worry too much about resources! $$$$$... Market share and monopoly are the two key phrases to be looking at.
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  9. #1219


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    Quote Originally Posted by Got2bereal View Post
    I'm just not convinced that people would switch from an easy to use iPad to an annoying tablet Os that requires you to login and ask so many annoying questions when you 1st sign in.
    Interesting that you put it that way. Come to think of it, I generally pick up my iPad after I'm done working on one of my PC's. I like to pick it up, select a book [or game, or whatever] and just use it. I don't use it like I use a PC because it ain't one. I don't think I'd care for a PC experience on a tablet. Metro seems to be a forced-fit. I won't be among those purchasing a Surface - my iPad is fine thank you.

    -Max
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    Windows 8 Bugs Irk Microsoft, Intel CEO Said to Tell Staff


    Intel Corp. (INTC) Chief Executive Officer Paul Otellini told employees in Taiwan that Microsoft Corp.ís Windows 8 operating system is being released before itís fully ready, a person who attended the company event said.

    ....ďWe are concerned at the level of bugs and fine tuning that appears necessary to get the beta systems we demoed ready for prime time,Ē Alex Gauna, an analyst at JMP Securities LLC in San Francisco, wrote in a Sept. 13 note in response to versions of Windows 8 shown at Intelís recent developer forum.

    Vista Flops

    Technology vendors often release software before itís completely ready and make adjustments on the fly. Still, the practice can backfire. Vista, a version of Windows that debuted in 2007, was introduced two years late. It was met with poor adoption as the software initially didnít work with many applications and drivers.

    Full article at:

    Windows 8 Bugs Irk Microsoft, Intel CEO Said to Tell Staff - Bloomberg
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