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This will be Microsofts biggest ever flop, far bigger than Vista.

  1. #1171


    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Dave76 View Post
    We do have to remember that they are making a OS for about a billion people.
    That's right and what it really boils down to is how well it's accepted in the marketplace. Just because I may or may not like something, won't make the product a success or failure. However, first impressions really have an impact (as we found out with Vista). The tech pundits have criticized, the power users are skeptical and the enthusiasts are split.
    I like your attitude, Parks. Even though you don't agree with MS on 8, you don't wish them ill like I read some critics do. As you know, I laid my outlook and feelings on it hear: Dear readers: How would you change or improve Windows 8?.

    I think 8 will not be the biggest seller, for it looks as though it's targeted for the general public market. I can see why it didn't make a good 1st impression on you Pros and most PUs. On the other hand, the general public doesn't usually read tech forums, mags, or their articles. I'm not going to say that the people are stupid, for I've really never met a stupid human. It's just that some are more intelligent than others. Let's just say they are ignorant to know any different, for they are not as savvy as others.

    I'm genuinely interested to see how this is received by the masses. Many seem to love their smartphones and tablets, and they seem to want to upgrade them frequently and get new things...so this Windows 8 system might be very appealing to them. For those more like me, who have a tablet, but only touch it for the lightest of tasks and set it down in favor or our laptop whenever we have to really type something out....it might get an overall thumbs down.

    In just a few short months, we are going to know the answer
    Let's hope for MS's sake it does sell a lot of units, for the scale has tipped lately. iMe Fruit Co. has surpassed them income wise. Yes, the clock keeps ticking. It's not going to be long. Let's hope a lot get a MS product under their Christmas tree.

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  2. #1172


    Posts : 51
    Windows 8 pre-release


    Quote Originally Posted by PaulGo View Post
    I guess I am just old fashioned. I always though the seller is supposed to meet the needs of the customer, not the customer having to jump through hoops to accommodate the seller.
    What makes you think MS is forcing you to use this? Ever heard of OS X? Hackintosh? linux? OS/2 and its derivatives? What hoops are you being forced to jump through?

    We won't even know until average users are allowed to try this thing out and form their own opinions (independent of the hobbyists and people who already decided that they dislike it, before it is even generally available).
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  3. #1173


    Posts : 248
    Windows 8 RTM (Retinas taking damage...)


    Quote Originally Posted by rich4421972 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by PaulGo View Post
    I guess I am just old fashioned. I always though the seller is supposed to meet the needs of the customer, not the customer having to jump through hoops to accommodate the seller.
    What makes you think MS is forcing you to use this? Ever heard of OS X? Hackintosh? linux? OS/2 and its derivatives? What hoops are you being forced to jump through? We won't even know until average users are allowed to try this thing out and form their own opinions (independent of the hobbyists and people who already decided that they dislike it, before it is even generally available).
    Want a new computer after october? Then it's forced onto you.
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  4. #1174


    Quote Originally Posted by PaulGo View Post
    I guess I am just old fashioned. I always though the seller is supposed to meet the needs of the customer, not the customer having to jump through hoops to accommodate the seller. The only reason Microsoft is shoving the Metro interface to desktop users is because they are so far behind in smartphone and tablet sales. Even Apple who is the most successful table an smartphone company realizes a one size fits all approach does not work for desktop computers.
    I'm old fashion also in some ways. Like manners and respect for other people of which seems to be diminishing with each generation. Not to say I'm perfect at it. But, when it comes to tech, whether it be building products or technics in my field, or computing, I had better keep up, or I lose.

    Please give MS some time. It's a transitional period in computing of which the smart phone companies with their OSs, iMe Fruit Company, and others started with the backing of a general public market purchasing it called -> “touch”. If anyone has the innovation to combine all three devices, MS does. I think the Fruit Company doesn't, otherwise they'd be selling more Macs.
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  5. #1175


    Posts : 92
    Windows 10 (64 bit)


    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by PaulGo View Post
    I guess I am just old fashioned. I always though the seller is supposed to meet the needs of the customer, not the customer having to jump through hoops to accommodate the seller. The only reason Microsoft is shoving the Metro interface to desktop users is because they are so far behind in smartphone and tablet sales. Even Apple who is the most successful table an smartphone company realizes a one size fits all approach does not work for desktop computers.
    I'm old fashion also in some ways. Like manners and respect for other people of which seems to be diminishing with each generation. Not to say I'm perfect at it. But, when it comes to tech, whether it be building products or technics in my field, or computing, I had better keep up, or I lose.

    Please give MS some time. It's a transitional period in computing of which the smart phone companies with their OSs, iMe Fruit Company, and others started with the backing of a general public market purchasing it called -> “touch”. If anyone has the innovation to combine all three devices, MS does. I think the Fruit Company doesn't, otherwise they'd be selling more Macs.
    They have all the time in the world to hopefully get it right. I have tried Windows 8 for the past several months on a virtual machine and I just don't like it. If they would have added the conventional start menus as an option giving people a choice as to whether they wanted the Metro start menu I would have considered purchasing it. I just don't feel an interface designed for a touch screen is the way to go on a desktop.
    Last edited by PaulGo; 07 Sep 2012 at 14:59.
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  6. #1176


    Posts : 5,360
    7/8/ubuntu/Linux Deepin


    Hi Paul,

    The answer is to keep asking for what you want.

    IF enough people do that - MS will respond.

    If they all just give in and put up with it - then they won't.

    It is possible if they meet enough resistance, MS may split it - have a pure consumption o/s for phones and tablets.

    A different o/s aimed at creativity and productivity for those who want it. They are almost certain to include some way of selling their apps. and online services with it.
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  7. #1177


    I'll quote a few paragraphs from another post of mine found here: Dear readers: How would you change or improve Windows 8?

    I believe MS knows very well about your desire of choice of UI, but they can’t allow that. I think they want to introduce 8 and teach the general public on how to use it. If they left a choice for the general public, most would probably remain to do things the old way, therefore no progression. Call it “forcing” or anything you will, but it can’t and won’t be there from a business point of view. Is it morally or ethically correct for them to excercise this? I'm not qualified to answer that.

    They kept the desktop for all to use legacy software during this transition of change. I hear every one of you Pros and PUs. It surely sounds like this doesn’t pacify your needs and rightfully so. Perhaps MS knows this. I’m quite sure they have you in mind. 7 will be around for quite some time and probably a 9 will suffice your needs.
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  8. #1178


    Posts : 51
    Windows 8 pre-release


    Quote Originally Posted by HPDeskjet View Post
    Start Screen.Why do I now have to scroll sideways for about 3 miles in order to find the programme or app I don't happen to have pinned to my desktop? That is fine for a tablet or mobile but nonsensical for a desktop. WHERE IS THE START BUTTON on the desktop? Oh yes, someone at MS thought it would a great step forward to remove it. Cretins.
    You can modify which programs display on the start screen, move them around and group similar programs together just by clicking and dragging. If you want the "old" start button, download Windows Classic Shell and you can have a Windows 98-style menu.
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  9. #1179


    Posts : 738
    1st W10 Professional x64/W7 Ultimate x64 - 2nd Remote system: W10 Insider Builds/W7 Professional


    Quote Originally Posted by PaulGo View Post
    I guess I am just old fashioned. I always though the seller is supposed to meet the needs of the customer, not the customer having to jump through hoops to accommodate the seller. The only reason Microsoft is shoving the Metro interface to desktop users is because they are so far behind in smartphone and tablet sales. Even Apple who is the most successful table an smartphone company realizes a one size fits all approach does not work for desktop computers.
    If you started off with an old Legacy version of Windows and came up through all the changes seen with each new version and then run smack into the "Modern" as it seems it will be named your first reaction will naturally be "What is this crap? Which OS is this supposed to be?"!

    As someone else commented some time back even before the RP was out it's how MS is implementing the major gui change that is at odds with the majority of older users regardless of experience levels. Hoop jumping seems to be aa new MS requirement apparently!

    Quote Originally Posted by rich4421972 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by HPDeskjet View Post
    Start Screen.Why do I now have to scroll sideways for about 3 miles in order to find the programme or app I don't happen to have pinned to my desktop? That is fine for a tablet or mobile but nonsensical for a desktop. WHERE IS THE START BUTTON on the desktop? Oh yes, someone at MS thought it would a great step forward to remove it. Cretins.
    You can modify which programs display on the start screen, move them around and group similar programs together just by clicking and dragging. If you want the "old" start button, download Windows Classic Shell and you can have a Windows 98-style menu.
    Why do I scroll downward the length of an addon Quick Launch bar coming off of the main task bar in 7? And that doesn't see all the shortcut you would generally find in a Start>Programs item when set for folder view. The problem with the Start screen is it will automatically place all the extra shortcuts as button for each program regardless if you only want the main exe for example displayed.

    The Start screen allows for grouping things in catagories as one of the few options. The annoyance of the trial buttons that are twice as large as the one you pin or an installer pins there is simply to remove them as obstacles and of course free up more screen space. Here's a look at the CP Start screen I had set up with a good number of programs to see a screen fill fast without the apps included.

    Click image for larger version

    The screen didn't see any new catagory groups made but still looked quite a bit different without all the preloaded trial buttons. Now take a look at how things display when adding Classic Shell into the works rather then conducting a "search and destroy" mission to find Control Panel items as one example.

    First a fast look at the 3rd party flavor of Start, Start button, Shutdown included.

    Click image for larger version

    Now look at the same when going to find something.

    Click image for larger version

    Just like the IE Favoruites or bookmarks in FireFox the menu expands outward to reveal all hidden from view items. The Start screen however sees only one screen or menu with everything in one place being the thought there for improving easer of access. The problem however is the need to keep bringing up a full screen menu rather then a menu reduced in size to poen up the next item when wanting a second IE or FF window open or going to start something else.

    Most simply want to see the desktop come up automatically without any need to click the desktop button just to get there! That's the fist big annoyance. At times however after 8 had been restarted and shutdown several times both the CP and RP suddenly started arriving at the desktop instead suggesting a certain count was reached with the beta and RC builds as they would have been called previously.

    The second main gripe is the lack of... a variety of options for customizing. Eveyone complains about the drab look while the same was said about the 7 beta wallpaper! So you have the initial look always being a large turnoff and people wanting to customize Windows as a result. Vista was the same when first seeing the Aero or Classic options but that saw "options" where 8 is apparently lacking to a degree.
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  10. #1180


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    1st W10 Professional x64/W7 Ultimate x64 - 2nd Remote system: W10 Insider Builds/W7 Professional


    Windows itself regardless of which version it is boils down to being an interface application loaded into memory! In general it supports what is written for the OS platform whether 32bit or 64bit.

    For most the idea of going in and making all kinds of registry edits even with advanced users they wouldn't unless following instructions for a proven method. Just going in at random to twist this and upturn that is far from a smart move unless you are prepared to either roll things back or toss another clean install of Windows on.

    The Start screen isn't a desktop to begin with but incorporated into the shell. The desktop is what you see when clicking on the desktop button. The Start screen itself is a customizable splash screen in nature. If you were to bring up the audio console for a sound card you would see the various options for that while lacking the ability to add or subject items but being similar in form.
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This will be Microsofts biggest ever flop, far bigger than Vista.
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