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This will be Microsofts biggest ever flop, far bigger than Vista.

  1. #1161


    Hafnarfjörður IS
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    Hi there
    especially @ NightHawk.
    the file system actually used on the physical device should really be irrelevant.

    Remember when the Linux kernels a few years ago implemented Read and WRITE for NTFS file systems -- this was done via FUSE which essentially allowed ANY file system whatsoever to be implemented in the kernel whatever the nature of the physical medium.

    You had to Mount the file system as FUSE - but now it's done automatically -- read write NTFS / FAT no problem.

    (Of course the Host computer had to have some mechanism of doing physical reads and writes to the device - but to the external user the file system could be arranged any which way it was desired -- even if the actual hardware wrote NTFS or FAT).

    Read up on these -- light bedtime reading for you. !!!!

    Develop your own filesystem with FUSE

    Filesystem in Userspace - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    Cheers
    jimbo

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  2. #1162


    Kari, The Start Screen is a nice little app launcher with some cool features I'm sure (it even connects you to an App Store -what's not to like, heh?). If you feel like using it, that's fine.
    Quote Originally Posted by you
    The Start GUI is, according to me and many others, one of the best things the Redmond geeks have produced.
    But, again, why forcing everybody to use it? Even those who don't need/ dont' want/ don't like it? Please explain.
    Quote Originally Posted by I
    Who wants a desktop/tower PC with a cellphone monitor screen?
    It's a fact (way to speak -LOL-) that W8 was designed for advanced cellphones and tablets with touch screen capability. In the opinion of many, it doesn't work on a desktop PC and even on a laptop with the same use and function. It doesn't mean however that nobody will like it. Me and other poeple have written lenghty posts to explain why W8 Mobile doesn't fit on a PC. It's not in my habit to repeat things over and over. But if you look at older posts you will see that my opinion is more nuanced than that.
    Quote Originally Posted by I
    The non sens at Redmond is stunning.
    Yes it is. And I also wrote many posts here to explain why. Not about Metro itself, but the realy stupid and stubborn attitude of Microsoft for not letting The Start Screen being an option chosen by the user. Not letting the choice to start directly to the desktop is bound to cause many problems with many users. Eventualy those problems can be solved by third party softwares already available. Also many poeple asked for the return of the classic Start Menu, in vain. Why is Microsoft tone deaf when users are speaking? They could change 3 lines of code and make the day. Instead they silently tell poeple to find hacks on the internet. And the anti-Metro/8 bashing continues. It seems they like it.
    Quote Originally Posted by you
    However, my main point was this phenomena I really hate, stating your own subjective thoughts and opinions as absolute facts.
    I never stated my opinion as facts. Since they were written on a free and open forum (where all views are expressed) there are ipso facto opinions and must be understood as such.
    Quote Originally Posted by you
    You know what I mean, this "This is my opinion so it must be a fact".
    I could write the exact same things in the opposite sens: "How the few ones who likes W8's Start Screen can talk on behalf of every user who happen not to like it? The arrogance..." or "This thread is full with posts like this one". Works both ways. But it's not useful as a discussion.
    Quote Originally Posted by You
    Quote Originally Posted by I
    The life of Metro on desktop PCs will be counted in weeks. Everybody will be laughing their lungs out.
    This idiotic statement, like others like it, does not even deserve a response.
    So why do you quote it? It was already an answer to prior posts, to be taken into context. Please follow the discussion.
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  3. #1163


    Posts : 738
    1st W10 Professional x64/W7 Ultimate x64 - 2nd Remote system: W10 Insider Builds/W7 Professional


    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Hi there
    especially @ NightHawk.
    the file system actually used on the physical device should really be irrelevant.

    Remember when the Linux kernels a few years ago implemented Read and WRITE for NTFS file systems -- this was done via FUSE which essentially allowed ANY file system whatsoever to be implemented in the kernel whatever the nature of the physical medium.

    You had to Mount the file system as FUSE - but now it's done automatically -- read write NTFS / FAT no problem.

    (Of course the Host computer had to have some mechanism of doing physical reads and writes to the device - but to the external user the file system could be arranged any which way it was desired -- even if the actual hardware wrote NTFS or FAT).

    Read up on these -- light bedtime reading for you. !!!!

    Develop your own filesystem with FUSE

    Filesystem in Userspace - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    Cheers
    jimbo
    I heard about FUSE some time ago. But that still remains an open source community development tool when compared to the existing platforms the OSs have been using through the years. FUSE deals mostly with virtual platforms on the other hand.

    The one thing you will find there with FUSE however is what seems to be lacking with 8. "Innovation" as far as being flexible and not simply something MS is trying to ram down everyone's throats in that sense. You can work on your own designs as far as an OS platform independent of the established standards seen for each OS. You might even development a new Linux flavor!
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  4. #1164


    Posts : 248
    Windows 8 RTM (Retinas taking damage...)


    Quote Originally Posted by Fredledingue View Post
    It's a fact (way to speak -LOL-) that W8 was designed for advanced cellphones and tablets with touch screen capability. In the opinion of many, it doesn't work on a desktop PC and even on a laptop with the same use and function. It doesn't mean however that nobody will like it. Me and other poeple have written lenghty posts to explain why W8 Mobile doesn't fit on a PC. It's not in my habit to repeat things over and over. But if you look at older posts you will see that my opinion is more nuanced than that.
    Very very true. It is a fact, and all the deniers should really take a close look at the start screen and note what they see. It's also a fact that the new start screen does MOST, but not all of what the old start menu did, meaning that many users, including me will be totally happy with it. That means that it's also a fact that there are some users who get totally shafted by the change. Bad move MS. What happened to "no compromises"
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  5. #1165


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    1st W10 Professional x64/W7 Ultimate x64 - 2nd Remote system: W10 Insider Builds/W7 Professional


    No options would be the operative word. Despite many labeling Vista a flop the transition from the old XP and previous Classic look to Aero saw two options for appearance. With 8 you have a totally new touchscreen gui replacing the Start orb, Start and Programs menu to look at a full screen of buttons!

    With the Start menu you could easily go back and forth to open the next thing up with ease while now you need to hover in one corner to keep bringing up the Start screen unless having something pinned to the task bar, have a Quick Lauch addon tool bar coming from the main task bar, or a 3rd party app like RocketDock or CircleDock.

    Someone commented on the one fits all thinking MS has for 8 which for most simply isn't working. For those that seem to like it novice or other they generally don't do much but check the mail and yap on a social network where the gui changes simply don't mean anything to them. For the workstation of the advanced user the changes are in need of 3rd party workarounds like the Start menu replacement apps by 3rd party sources which now is seeing OEMs getting into the act for their new fall line-up of 8 machines.

    As I have said before at times the core improvements for hardware detection and setup as well as MS renaming the Security Essentials as the new Windows Defender to provide a built-in av program are being outweighed by the negative reactions to the major gui change. MS lacked the foresight of seeing a second option for the conventional standard desktop showing their push into the mobile competition as well as bringing in a touchscreen interface comes at a cost.
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  6. #1166


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    Windows 7, Windows 8 RP


    Quote Originally Posted by PaulGo View Post
    For those that seem to like it novice or other they generally don't do much but check the mail and yap on a social network where the gui changes simply don't mean anything to them. For the workstation of the advanced user the changes are in need of 3rd party workarounds like the Start menu replacement apps by 3rd party sources which now is seeing OEMs getting into the act for their new fall line-up of 8 machines.
    Yes of course, if one likes and does not struggle with Windows 8 they MUST only "check the mail and yap on social network".
    Advanced users have been using 3rd party apps to get Windows to do what they want for ages but now it's an issue? If Windows 8 is such a road block then perhaps certain advanced users aren't as "advanced" as they think they are.
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  7. #1167


    Yes of course, if one likes and does not struggle with Windows 8 they MUST only "check the mail and yap on social network".
    Advanced users have been using 3rd party apps to get Windows to do what they want for ages but now it's an issue? If Windows 8 is such a road block then perhaps certain advanced users aren't as "advanced" as they think they are.
    Right on, Bro!
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  8. #1168


    Tropical Island Pair a Dice
    Posts : 3,030
    Windows 8.1 Pro x64/ Windows 7 Ult x64


    Quote Originally Posted by R0bR View Post
    Yes of course, if one likes and does not struggle with Windows 8 they MUST only "check the mail and yap on social network".
    Advanced users have been using 3rd party apps to get Windows to do what they want for ages but now it's an issue? If Windows 8 is such a road block then perhaps certain advanced users aren't as "advanced" as they think they are.
    Well put, I have to agree with this.

    We do have to remember that they are making a OS for about a billion people.
    With every new OS they make changes, some don't like them and some do.
    If they don't make enough changes then some say it's just a SP to the previous version.
    When there aren't enough options to make the changes each individual would like to see then we can usually find third party apps to fill in the gaps.
    It's either 'bloated' or not customizable enough.
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  9. #1169


    Quote Originally Posted by Dave76 View Post
    We do have to remember that they are making a OS for about a billion people.
    That's right and what it really boils down to is how well it's accepted in the marketplace. Just because I may or may not like something, won't make the product a success or failure. However, first impressions really have an impact (as we found out with Vista). The tech pundits have criticized, the power users are skeptical and the enthusiasts are split.

    I'm genuinely interested to see how this is received by the masses. Many seem to love their smartphones and tablets, and they seem to want to upgrade them frequently and get new things...so this Windows 8 system might be very appealing to them. For those more like me, who have a tablet, but only touch it for the lightest of tasks and set it down in favor or our laptop whenever we have to really type something out....it might get an overall thumbs down.

    In just a few short months, we are going to know the answer.
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  10. #1170


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    Windows 10 (64 bit)


    I guess I am just old fashioned. I always though the seller is supposed to meet the needs of the customer, not the customer having to jump through hoops to accommodate the seller. The only reason Microsoft is shoving the Metro interface to desktop users is because they are so far behind in smartphone and tablet sales. Even Apple who is the most successful table an smartphone company realizes a one size fits all approach does not work for desktop computers.
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This will be Microsofts biggest ever flop, far bigger than Vista.
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