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This will be Microsofts biggest ever flop, far bigger than Vista.

  1. #1121


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    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Night Hawk View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    Vista was a flop so far as technical use and stability for the most part, but not as a revenue failure for MS. We know that and so did/does MS. However, they did make up for it with 7 in a very timely manner to make what? More revenue.
    To the contrary! Vista was actually far more stable and secure then XP ever thought of being plus lacked the high volume of fixes needed to make it into a strong OS! In fact many who tried 7 simply ended going back and staying with it!

    7 in the end was the "OS you can run out of the box" seeing less need for error fixing! MS put far more effort into seeing things done right from the start rather then the flop of XP SP3 1,000 fixed long awaited for and the misstatement of minimum system specs required allowing OEMs to sell undergrade systems with Vista preinstalled ending up with negative reaction.

    As far as opinions there are as many as there are members on 8F! I knew from the start you would be hearing all sorts of them!
    I'm sure you are absolutely correct from your point of view in the ascent, deviation, and/or declination of OSs. I'll admit you and others here and elsewhere are far more savvy when it comes to computer technicalities and experience.

    I jumped from 98SE on a Gateway to a new PC preloaded with Vista, so I don't know all the rest in between, although I heard from friends and read here and there about them. I'm a builder and was using a PC to run a business. So far as I'm concerned I was spending more time fixing the damn OS and other software running on it than I was using it. So from my point of view it was a flop. I was quite happy and relieved with 7 and continue to be.

    That's not an opinion -> That's a fact!
    I ran 98SE here for some time even in a dual boot with XP. I soon missed 98 when newer boards and sound cards no longer saw "any" updates period to simply look back at some of those old Legacy titles!

    Vista came in aa a much larger OS from start for you. You were fortunate to bypass XP while not so much 2000 Pro which would have been a good option years back to move up from 98. As far as 7 just about everybody knows how well that turned out!

    As for 8 that was an instant disappointment here with the first look on. I still have it on a VM and plan to see another isolated stand alone install to try some ideas out. But to see it replace 7? Not in this life time!

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  2. #1122


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    I find that the more I use Metro, the more I am charmed by it. I think this will be the case with a lot of people. If your computer is what you use for work, you might eventually look at Win8 from a productivity standpoint and not from that of a hobbyist.

    It is natural for the hobbyist to dislike everything that arrives on the market without his/her personal approval. The rest of us just need to find out where Outlook and Word are and we can very well go from there. It is unfortunate that Metro has taken the spotlight away from other features that could be real positives (NTFS 5, security essentials, improvements to web browsing).
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  3. #1123


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    Quote Originally Posted by PaulGo View Post
    I believe this shows that reviewer dislikes Windows 8 and gives reasons why it will not be successful.
    He dislikes the UI changes of Windows 8, he clearly states that other than the UI changes Windows 8 is Windows 7 and more. Also, at no time does he mention that Windows 8 will not be successful, he gives reasons why Windows 7 is still a great OS.

    Quote Originally Posted by Night Hawk View Post
    The article sums things up quite accurately with the theme of 8 being a "Flop"! With one look most have simply called it quits when it comes to considering any upgrade to 8!
    And where does he mention this in the article? Nowhere.

    Quote Originally Posted by Night Hawk View Post
    The hesitance by the corporate world to upgrade versions isn't based on just waiting for the SP1 either. The time and money invested into existing softwares like office wares, 100s of workstations, etc. may simply be not within their present budget as well as the reworking of any special wares developed for their particular business that would need to see all new versions.
    Well obviously, but the point remains it has less to do with Windows 8 or Metro than it does the points you outlined above.
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    It depends on which article you are referring to. The majority of users especially those who have grown fond of 7 seem to find the Metro or should I saw "Modern" gui a joke! On the other hand some who have gotten past the gui change and trashed desktop look 8 is bringing in they got to the other things which they thought was an improvement but at more or less the core level.

    I'm hearing that from a few running the 8 Pro edition. Here 7 became the actual success story when the 32bit 7 could run every XP program and even XP drivers but was the far more stable and secure OS. As for the supposed performance improvement 8 does or doesn't see it was hardly even noticable when placing both 7 and 8 on two separate drives.

    As far as NTFS 5.0 you ran that on 2000, XP , Vista, and 7. rich4421972 You may want a look at a 1998 MSDN blog about it. A File System for the 21st Century: Previewing the Windows NT 5.0 File System--MSJ, November 1998
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    As far as NTFS 5.0 you ran that on 2000, XP , Vista, and 7. rich4421972 You may want a look at a 1998 MSDN blog about it. A File System for the 21st Century: Previewing the Windows NT 5.0 File System--MSJ, November 1998
    Thanks, Night Hawk. I didn't realize that NTFS was created that far back. If anything was a great innovation in computing, it was the NTFS file system. So that was the huge difference I noticed in performance. I jumped from 98SE on an old gateway to Vista on my new PC here. As you can see, hardware was a difference, but the file system is what actually made the bigger difference.

    Thanks again. I learned something tonight.
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  6. #1126


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    first day i was lost like gilligan (I also had to google how to shut down haha)
    i had to find and search for everything like the topic creater mentioned

    second and third day you start to get the hang and feel of it
    after a week im moving around quite nicely

    only thing I hate about it is that WMP is gone and my beloved Media Browser is no longer compatible

    you have to get used to it. i could call myself a seasoned computer user and know my way around a computer
    for someone who doesn't know how to use em to much I can see were this can be very complicated for them

    Its nowhere near what windows ME or Vista were of being completely and utterly broken.

    Windows 8 is not bad or broken. its just different.

    I say.......lets give it a chance
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  7. #1127


    Quote Originally Posted by hostelo View Post
    first day i was lost like gilligan (I also had to google how to shut down haha)
    i had to find and search for everything like the topic creater mentioned

    second and third day you start to get the hang and feel of it
    after a week im moving around quite nicely

    only thing I hate about it is that WMP is gone and my beloved Media Browser is no longer compatible

    you have to get used to it. i could call myself a seasoned computer user and know my way around a computer
    for someone who doesn't know how to use em to much I can see were this can be very complicated for them

    Its nowhere near what windows ME or Vista were of being completely and utterly broken.

    Windows 8 is not bad or broken. its just different.

    I say.......lets give it a chance
    Well stated, hostelo. Welcome to EF. Good to have you!
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  8. #1128


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    Quote Originally Posted by hostelo View Post
    first day i was lost like gilligan (I also had to google how to shut down haha)
    i had to find and search for everything like the topic creater mentioned

    second and third day you start to get the hang and feel of it
    after a week im moving around quite nicely

    only thing I hate about it is that WMP is gone and my beloved Media Browser is no longer compatible

    you have to get used to it. i could call myself a seasoned computer user and know my way around a computer
    for someone who doesn't know how to use em to much I can see were this can be very complicated for them

    Its nowhere near what windows ME or Vista were of being completely and utterly broken.

    Windows 8 is not bad or broken. its just different.

    I say.......lets give it a chance
    I agree fully. I'm sooo glad there are people that actually like Win 8.

    I'm currently running the MSDN release and have been since it was released and I haven't had a single problem.

    Yes it's different, but that's good. imagine if you were still running win98 style, I know a few people still do, because they want better performance, but our PC's would be boring.

    Gaming on Win 8 is awesome, and works well. I can say that the only prob I had with Win8 was MS some how messed up my live account but once that was sorted, Smartglass syncs to my xbox perfectly. My settings are syncing to my laptop and desktop PC with no hassles. Yes, Metro IE sucks, and Chrome has a few issues being that it sometimes tries to launch into Metro style, but other than that, i think MS have done an awesome job.

    Im busy building a new gaming PC and will put it to its full test, with Visual Studio 2012 and developing Metro Apps, and playing more games on it. But so far im happy.

    If you willing to try NEW then you will enjoy win8, but if you going to keep running it down, well.... you will never like it.

    Don't judge Win8 the first time you start it up, judge it after a week or two playing around with it.
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  9. #1129


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    Quote Originally Posted by hostelo View Post
    first day i was lost like gilligan (I also had to google how to shut down haha)
    i had to find and search for everything like the topic creater mentioned

    second and third day you start to get the hang and feel of it
    after a week im moving around quite nicely

    only thing I hate about it is that WMP is gone and my beloved Media Browser is no longer compatible

    you have to get used to it. i could call myself a seasoned computer user and know my way around a computer
    for someone who doesn't know how to use em to much I can see were this can be very complicated for them

    Its nowhere near what windows ME or Vista were of being completely and utterly broken.

    Windows 8 is not bad or broken. its just different.

    I say.......lets give it a chance
    I think, despite all the frustration, that your last statement makes the most sense. While I don't particularly like some of the changes to the O/S myself it is obviously going to be functional. No, I'm not likely to rebuild my machine around it (I've got it in a VM now) but if I sat down to a machine running it I'm sure I could manage with it. It's just different, that's all. Let's see if MS can make their tablet market penetration with it or not.

    As a developer my main concern is whether or not it will run the applications I develop for the desktop. It does that fine so, in the long run, it doesn't matter that much to me. I'll keep playing with it in the VM. If somehow my interest in it ever reaches critical mass then I'll use it. Otherwise it was fun to play with.

    -Max
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    Quote Originally Posted by Night Hawk View Post

    As far as NTFS 5.0 you ran that on 2000, XP , Vista, and 7. rich4421972 You may want a look at a 1998 MSDN blog about it. A File System for the 21st Century: Previewing the Windows NT 5.0 File System--MSJ, November 1998
    The operative words, of course are "1998" and "blog."

    Windows XP's filesystem was NTFS 3.1. MS added file encryption features (EFS) and long-name file support,and renamed it "5.0" to indicate that additional capabilities were made to the 3.1 on-disk format. "NTFS5", at that time, was just the 3.0 on-disk format enhanced with new features available to XP and 2000. The MSDN article does not apply in this case because it is touting the "new" features added to NTFS 3.0. The article is attempting to sell computers, not explain the niceties of the filesystem.

    The "package" that we think of as "NTFS 5.1" has been upgraded and enhanced over the years, but the basic on-disk format of NTFS 3.1 has never changed since XP. It's a little bit of smoke and mirrors, but the consumer wins in the end.

    The fifth version of NTFS for Vista/Longhorn was totally revamped for those systems. The version numbers represent extra features made possible by the operating system and not necessarily the disk format. According to MS's nomenclature, Vista/7/8 all use "NTFS 5.1" now. I wish I had used it with Windows XP! But I didn't. It would be physically impossible.

    The 5.1 version of NTFS adds the transactional/atomic file management capability, partition resizing and the self-healing features. It also introduced the "new" file encryption services of "BitLocker." So, indeed, Vista's filesystem management had far more technical options than anything that preceded it.

    I am very interested to know about filesystem features that have been added in Windows 8. I think that would be a major selling point for the OS.

    I was really hoping somebody else was interested, too. Thanks for your reply.
    Last edited by rich4421972; 05 Sep 2012 at 11:39.
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This will be Microsofts biggest ever flop, far bigger than Vista.
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