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This will be Microsofts biggest ever flop, far bigger than Vista.

  1. #1101


    Using Windows 8 on my main machine now and so far so good. Overall performance is amazing even desktop mode is smoother than windows 7. I must admit that metro start screen is not as good as the previous start button/menu, but it's not too bad. One thing for sure, I always use desktop mode, never open any metro app at all.

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  2. #1102


    Quote Originally Posted by PCWorld
    Windows 8: Hate It Already? Why Waiting for Windows 9 Won't Help One possibility would be for Microsoft to concede defeat. Instead of forcing users to adopt the new Windows interface, Microsoft could give users the option to boot directly into the desktop, launch programs through an old-school Start menu, and maybe even bring back the Start button. This seems like the least likely option, given the steps Microsoft has taken to make its new interface unavoidable. I don't think Microsoft will cave unless there's a huge backlash.
    How PC world's writer Jared Newman cannot face reality and see that Metro is already a spectacular defeat? At least 2/3 of W8 users are destroying Metro within minutes of install. There are at least 4 patches, famous on the internet, to kill Metro and restore Start Menu. And it was predictable.
    Quote Originally Posted by PCWorld
    PCs face a serious threat from tablets, especially the iPad. Microsoft must respond with an OS that makes sense for tablets.
    No the PC doesn't face serious treat from tablet if you consider that tablets are PC with a smaller size. It's like saying 10 years ago that PC faced treat from laptops. Pleace define "PC"! Nobody needs two towers, but some need one tower and tablet. Or one large laptop and a smartphone, or just a smartphone and no computer because they don't do computer job, etc
    Quote Originally Posted by PCWorld
    Office Suite apps abound, as do keyboard cases that make the iPad more laptop-like. You can write code and design webpages on the iPad. You can compose music and edit video, too.
    Indeed if you add a normal keyboard, a 19' screen, a mouse and one or two other accessories you may do the same as on a desktop PC. But then again, please define "PC". Seriousely if you do these jobs on a daily basis you better buy a tower. Designing webpages on a small screen is much likely to get loosy results.
    Quote Originally Posted by PCWorld
    Microsoft must respond with an OS that makes sense for tablets
    Trashing the desktop Windows the way they do won't help tablet sale. The opposite would be true. A nice OS for desktop would lure more customers into Windows tablets. There are shooting themsleves in the foot.
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    I would reword that last one to "MS must respond with an OS that makes sense PERIOD!". Why do you do think the OEMs like Samsung will be adding in "Their own" Start>Programs menu? They realize the new 8 machines(desktops, laptops) simply won't sell by the way 8 looks on the store shelves!

    I certainly have to agree with the oust of the Aero was another foobar by MS there since that allows the wallpaper to be seen through the taskbar when unchecking the auto hide. The problem with 3rd party addons even Classic Shell is not being able to right click on them to bring up the properties screen and options for how you want the Start to appear as well as seeing the Restart set on the shutdown button rather then shutdown since there is no button present without the addon.

    Does that sound more like going around in circles?! Apparently that's the MS way of thinking! Lead the average user around in circles and they'll follow you anywhere!
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  4. #1104


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    Windows 7 forever! Why Windows 7 is the next XP

    We love Windows 7: That's the message loud and clear from people this week at the TechMentor Conference held at Microsoft headquarters in Redmond, Wash. With Windows XP reaching end of life for support in April 2014, the plan for most organizations is to upgrade -- to Windows 7.

    Windows 7 forever! Why Windows 7 is the next XP | Microsoft Windows - InfoWorld
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  5. #1105


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    Quote Originally Posted by PaulGo View Post
    Windows 7 forever! Why Windows 7 is the next XP


    We love Windows 7: That's the message loud and clear from people this week at the TechMentor Conference held at Microsoft headquarters in Redmond, Wash. With Windows XP reaching end of life for support in April 2014, the plan for most organizations is to upgrade -- to Windows 7.

    Windows 7 forever! Why Windows 7 is the next XP | Microsoft Windows - InfoWorld
    This article is irrelevant to the thread topic.
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  6. #1106


    Posts : 2
    Windows 8 Pro, for now


    Quote Originally Posted by davidvoyage View Post
    Using Windows 8 on my main machine now and so far so good. Overall performance is amazing even desktop mode is smoother than windows 7. I must admit that metro start screen is not as good as the previous start button/menu, but it's not too bad. One thing for sure, I always use desktop mode, never open any metro app at all.
    This is my feeling as well. The Metro and Metro Apps are useless. They add no value at all to the user experience.

    I've also experienced some applications not showing up in the Start Start, VMWare Player for example.
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  7. #1107


    Posts : 92
    Windows 10 (64 bit)


    Quote Originally Posted by R0bR View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by PaulGo View Post
    Windows 7 forever! Why Windows 7 is the next XP


    We love Windows 7: That's the message loud and clear from people this week at the TechMentor Conference held at Microsoft headquarters in Redmond, Wash. With Windows XP reaching end of life for support in April 2014, the plan for most organizations is to upgrade -- to Windows 7.

    Windows 7 forever! Why Windows 7 is the next XP | Microsoft Windows - InfoWorld
    This article is irrelevant to the thread topic.
    This article shows why corporations and many users will stick or go to Windows 7 instead of using or deploying Windows 8, so why is it irrelevant?
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  8. #1108


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    Quote Originally Posted by Fredledingue View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by PCWorld
    Windows 8: Hate It Already? Why Waiting for Windows 9 Won't Help One possibility would be for Microsoft to concede defeat. Instead of forcing users to adopt the new Windows interface, Microsoft could give users the option to boot directly into the desktop, launch programs through an old-school Start menu, and maybe even bring back the Start button. This seems like the least likely option, given the steps Microsoft has taken to make its new interface unavoidable. I don't think Microsoft will cave unless there's a huge backlash.
    How PC world's writer Jared Newman cannot face reality and see that Metro is already a spectacular defeat? At least 2/3 of W8 users are destroying Metro within minutes of install. There are at least 4 patches, famous on the internet, to kill Metro and restore Start Menu. And it was predictable.
    Quote Originally Posted by PCWorld
    PCs face a serious threat from tablets, especially the iPad. Microsoft must respond with an OS that makes sense for tablets.
    No the PC doesn't face serious treat from tablet if you consider that tablets are PC with a smaller size. It's like saying 10 years ago that PC faced treat from laptops. Pleace define "PC"! Nobody needs two towers, but some need one tower and tablet. Or one large laptop and a smartphone, or just a smartphone and no computer because they don't do computer job, etc
    Quote Originally Posted by PCWorld
    Office Suite apps abound, as do keyboard cases that make the iPad more laptop-like. You can write code and design webpages on the iPad. You can compose music and edit video, too.
    Indeed if you add a normal keyboard, a 19' screen, a mouse and one or two other accessories you may do the same as on a desktop PC. But then again, please define "PC". Seriousely if you do these jobs on a daily basis you better buy a tower. Designing webpages on a small screen is much likely to get loosy results.
    Quote Originally Posted by PCWorld
    Microsoft must respond with an OS that makes sense for tablets
    Trashing the desktop Windows the way they do won't help tablet sale. The opposite would be true. A nice OS for desktop would lure more customers into Windows tablets. There are shooting themsleves in the foot.
    Hi there
    agree with most of what you say -- but you don't always need a Tower (or two towers etc).

    A new Ultrabook will easily drive an HDMI output into a HUGE LCD monitor (often 60 ins or even larger if you are lucky enough to get your hands on one of those size TV's / monitors.

    Even the much derided humble netbook was quite capable of driving a decent size external monitor -- maybe not 60 ins but certainly a 32 inch / 40 inch monitor.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  9. #1109


    Posts : 534
    Windows 7, Windows 8 RP


    Quote Originally Posted by PaulGo View Post
    This article shows why corporations and many users will stick or go to Windows 7 instead of using or deploying Windows 8, so why is it irrelevant?
    Several reasons:

    1. Regardless of what Windows 8 is or isn't, likes or dislikes, corporations don't upgrade to the next version of Windows for some time hence why many are still using XP.

    2. More often than not corporations wait for at least SP1 before planning any kind of migration anyways.

    3. Windows 8 is targeted to the general consumer, Microsoft has even gone on record saying that they expect Windows 7 to continue at the enterprise with Windows 8 only used as companion devices (ie. Tablets). The fact that it CAN be used at the enterprise is moot, it is Windows after all.

    4. People that attend a TechMentor conference do not speak for the general Windows user that Windows 8 is targeted for.

    This thread is about Windows 8 flopping worse than Vista, the article is not negative towards Windows 8. Unless of course you read just the heading and make an assumption. There is nothing in this article that discuss Windows 8 flopping, it just re-iterates that corporations will treat upgrades just as they've always done.
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  10. #1110


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    Talllefty21 said:
    I've also experienced some applications not showing up in the Start Start, VMWare Player for example.
    Did you right click the Start Screen, and select to "Show All Applications"?
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