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This will be Microsofts biggest ever flop, far bigger than Vista.

  1. #1091


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    I was going to 'upgrade' to W8 and keep it in the drawer. But it's now a firm no on my part - I'll keep the $$'s in my wallet.

    There is simply no benefit to installing 8 on my desktop and laptop. Maybe (although I doubt it) should I ever acquire a Win phone or tablet then that may be a different scenario.

    For the record, there are focus groups and err focus groups - are they truly representative. I very much doubt it. As has been mentioned elsewhere on this forum, MS are suffering from Apple envy. They've seen how much the fruit company earns and want a slice of the action. Problem is Apple is a fashion accessory in many cases and the call reliability of their iPhone sometimes leaves a lot to be desired. But it is an Apple so in many folks eyes is a must have piece of equipment. MS are not in that league.

    Steve Jobs was a great marketing guy whatever my personal thoughts are towards Apple. How Apple will fair now Jobs has gone is a different scenario. They will earn several bucks from their legal dept's efforts but that will soon run out. All empires fail eventually and Apple is not immune to this fact of life.

    I just wish MS had marketed W8 for what it is - a Metro program for phones and tablets. Stop the nonsense (imo) that it is suitable for desktop and laptop.

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    Microsoft expert testing W8...
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  3. #1093


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    Ahhhhh a Start Menu... LOL!!!


    Did a lot of tweaking to Win8 Pro RTM today. Its much better with a Start Menu, thanks to the open source community over at www.sourceforge.org and the Classic Shell app. However it still lacks some of the fine tuning I could do with a Start menu in Win7.

    MS if the open source community can do it.... Please add back in the option of a Win7 style Start menu/button! PLEASE!

    Since I still feel Win8 is an oddball here's what I did with Classic Shell:

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    I am so far impressed most of all with the improvements to IE10, namely the lack of a need to update Adobe Flash anymore thanks to integration/cooperation between the SW giants! Adobes website tells you to check compatibility settings in ie10...

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    Also, IE will now auto update by default...

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    While a great job on IE 10... we can all download that soon onto our Win7 machines. I don't see a compelling reason to make the switch... EVEN IF MS adds a Start Button/Menu I doubt it on any production machine of mine... perhaps a laptop for presentations. I have Win7 running on several PC's that are on 24/7/365 (yes, a weekly reboot)... it's a rock solid OS!
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  4. #1094


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    @ Fredledingue: That's a smart monkey !!!

    @Darryl Licht: The desktop of 8 and underlying improvements are worth a couple of large pizza's to me.
    I like the single screen large apps like "the Big Picture" and many others.
    There are many free apps. And there will be many more. It is a totally fantastic mega multi tasking system with thumb nailing and app snapping, dual monitor (start on one and desktop on another) setups, edge UI tools, winx menu seals the deal for me. The tiling feature has a flex feel to it and the all apps area when group blocked is very neat. Pinning and unpinning is very quick, faster than legacy. It may take some time for installation development that puts only significant tiles on the start screen and the rest in the all apps area. I totally use the libraries every day and think that the capability to instantly pin links to the start screen is awesome.

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  5. #1095


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    Quote Originally Posted by Darryl Licht View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Night Hawk View Post
    The best possible move MS could have made while still wanting to leap into the mobile market fire would have been to develop a variation of 8 for touchscreen and more versatile to mobile application while still maintaining an updated desktop OS people could live with! Instead they simply jam Metro at everybody saying "this is the way it will be! Too bad if you don't like it! You still will need a new Windows some time! We'll still get you!"

    You are right... Vista was nowhere near as bad as the press made it out to be! However, the press is a powerful sales tool... Vista gained few adoptions/upgrades from XP because of this. Most Vista users got it on a new PC!

    I also agree that a Metro UI is being rammed down our throats, this UI is cumbersome for anyone like me who has used Windows for over 20 years! I think in the end MS will see the error of their focus groups and the associated telemetry, sales will be dismal, and Win8 will gain a "START" button and menu like its older siblings. MS Leave Metro, but give us our old START button, menus and a way to shut off metro on the devices we wish to.

    I predict Apple will gain 10% market share in installed OS by end of 2013 thanks to Win8 (currently at approx 6%)! MS cannot simply cram this in our faces, we will revolt at the cash register! Even the low price shows how nervous MS must be with this new OS and it's Metro-sexual interface... :0
    They'll feel the crunch alright! As far as Vista it did have it's own share of mistakes but besides the media MS made the largest goober of not being correct on the actual minimum system requirements which ironically were correct with 7 being the same! The 32bit Vista on 512mb? We all know XP even ran better with 2gb installed!

    The only thing cross platform you actually find that works out is either GParted live for cd or Partition Wizard also live from cd independent of the OS being run on a particular machine. If and I saw if MS is trying to make 8 into a universal for mobile, usb flash drive, Windows Phone, Tablet, and desktop they are way off track as far as having a "totally flexible" gui to work with!

    The lack of options for any type of standard desktop or touchscreen gui was left out. And the desktop concept is certainly lost with the Metro intended for the mobile platform. As far as IE 10 however I would say MS got it right there since 9 is... ??? blah saaa and I miss IE 8 but switched to the 64bit WaterFox for the time being until 10 is out. Well 9 was the first to bring in HTLM5 and with MS the first can often be the worst at times!

    Quote Originally Posted by Fredledingue View Post
    Microsoft expert testing W8...
    Funny how a lot can said in one picture alone! As far as 8 is concerned that suits the bill correctly!
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  6. #1096


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    Very funny, but rather silly. Who said the 8 metro (Windows 8) is intended for the mobile platform? My desktop is not mobile.
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  7. #1097


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    Quote Originally Posted by mdmd View Post
    Very funny, but rather silly. Who said the 8 metro (Windows 8) is intended for the mobile platform? My desktop is not mobile.
    Tablet PC is more or less closest to the mobile as is Windows Phone 8! Touchscreen support is another idea behind the Metro by introducing that type of gui.

    The real problem however is how MS decided to bring it trashing the standardized destkop concept completely after the hugh success 7 is seeing! And for those who think simply skipping over 8 for 9 or whatever is to come later are likely going to be in for a big surprise as some blog writers are now speculating. Windows 8: Hate It Already? Why Waiting for Windows 9 Won't Help | PCWorld
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  8. #1098


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    The desktop is not trashed. 7 is relatively new and will be supported for years! The 8 desktop ... is it all about the start menu? How about the winx menu? Not intuitive? The rest is pinning and unpinning. Do you really believe the suits at MS are that stupid? Not you NH, but is it really about you (the critic), always about you? Won't the average bloke be able to have a go at 8 and the metro or is it always all about the "serious desktop professional?"
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  9. #1099


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    Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit


    I know some may appreciate the fact that Aero Glass is gone but I do not. The flat look is so damn boring, and seeing as I spend all of my time in Windows on a desktop it makes no sense to sacrifice visual effects when my GTX 560Ti is more than capable. Just because somewhere in the world someone wants to use a five year old netbook with Windows 8 doesn't mean we should all have to lose Aero Glass.


    I know... It's just transparency. But it's something I rather liked and with it gone Windows 8 ends up looking like W7 starter edition. And I think it really did ad to the open feel in Vista and 7. Microsoft's excuse that transparency is "cheesy and dated" is pretty pathetic and extremely disappointing to hear from the Windows team.


    And that's just one small complaint that actually does matter to some people. Pile on the "not-Metro" interface and the incredibly stupid idea of not having a proper Start menu and by all accounts this thing is already a flop. At least Vista gave us new ideas. Windows 8 is just taking things away.
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  10. #1100


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    Quote Originally Posted by Darryl Licht View Post
    Its much better with a Start Menu, thanks to the open source community over at www.sourceforge.org and the Classic Shell app. However it still lacks some of the fine tuning I could do with a Start menu in Win7.
    What "fine tuning" do you find lacking in Classic Shell that the Windows 7 Start Menu had? It has far more settings than Windows 7's menu ever had.
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This will be Microsofts biggest ever flop, far bigger than Vista.
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