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This will be Microsofts biggest ever flop, far bigger than Vista.

  1. #991


    Posts : 26
    Windows 8


    Diary of first use (~60 minutes)

    * Just installed on my quad core Dell tower
    * Install was painless
    * Help screen showing that I should move mouse to corner is helpful
    * No other help - guess I'm on my own from this point forward
    * Tile interface is OK I guess, not the items I would want
    * Pulled the menu up by navigating to top right corner, clicked on Start to get to the START menu, just stayed at the tiles
    * Navigated to Settings, initial setting for PC is sparse, added administrative tiles, wow, no hierarchy (containers), everything is flat, all the programs show up as tiles, desktop will get cluttered if there is no hierarchy or menu system
    * Ah found help and opened it, it started the new IE, they put the navigation bar at the bottom, how cute, figured out the right click shows navigation bar and open tabs? not sure what to call them, worthless help content, going to go back to the home screen
    * If I move the mouse into the lower left and click I get back to the home screen
    * Not sure how to close out IE, still running in the background I guess
    * Clicked on Resource Monitor, all right a familiar screen, looks like the old Windows but no START menu, see IE running but have no idea how to close it
    * Alt tab cycles through programs, glad they kept that
    * How in the heck do you close a full screen program?
    * Guess I'll search Bing
    * Oh I see, I don't have to close programs anymore, they won't take up any resources, yah right, I guess this is the way the OS/X works, though Apple does provide a menu option for closing a program, OK found that CTRL SHIFT ESC brings up a Task Manger that can close apps, OK, that works
    * The IE Browser isn't bad, kind of like the full screen approach, seems very fast
    * Discovered Windows button brings up home screen
    * Went to Sky Drive app, works well, think I'll install Office
    * Downloading 2013 preview from MSDN
    * While downloading started to figure out the navigation, upper left and then pull down shows all open Windows (not sure what to call them), so it is fairly easy to navigate
    * While installation was taking place hit IE icon from a Desktop Window, opened a separate IE that isn't full screen, just like Windows 7, strange, guess I have 2 IE browsers running now
    * OK install finished. Put tiles on home screen for starting applications. I don't see a way of creating a container for tiles. You can group them but can't create a container. I think this is a mistake on Microsoft's part. I need some hierarchy for all the programs I typically install
    * Started the new Word, oh my gosh, was prompted with a UA request, popped over to the desktop, please no, no
    * New Office similar to 2010 but more tilesh (is that a word?)
    * Upper left navigation doesn't work with new Word, that's interesting, should be a O/S thing not an app thing, is broken from all screens now, buggy
    * Browser still running but can't navigate to it using Alt Tab or upper left, see it running, if I click on tile from home screen comes back, buggy
    * Going to install my favorite open source text editor Notepad ++
    * New apps run in the first open desktop window I guess, opened where Word was running
    * Tile was created on home screen, runs fine, OK I guess, still wish I could create a container for tiles
    * Going to quit for now (no applaude necessary, this was as painful for me as it has been for you)

    Impressions

    * The UI and navigation is not intuitive but can be learned in reasonable timeframe with patience and PC knowledge
    * As can be seen from the diary not sure how I would ever walk anyone through the system on the phone
    * Tiles are ugly and I don't like the fact you can't create hierarchy / containers for tiles
    * I like the new IE full screen mode
    * Navigation is doable but confusing and looks to be buggy, fix packs coming I'm sure
    * I see no reason to upgrade if I'm using a keyboard and mouse
    * Microsoft could have done much better, doesn't compare to OS/X Mountain Lion which I love

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  2. #992


    Posts : 5,360
    7/8/ubuntu/Linux Deepin


    Hi,

    Yes, they could have done much better.

    It is the fear of people ignoring the whole metro thing and thier cloud and apps, which caused them to make a hash of it.

    If it sells poorly , they will reverse that with the next relase.
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  3. #993


    Posts : 738
    1st W10 Professional x64/W7 Ultimate x64 - 2nd Remote system: W10 Insider Builds/W7 Professional


    At least we hope they do?! Nothing is written in stone on any MS decision to bring the Start orb and programs menu back. Unfortunately it's "Reality Check" time as far as MS not usually bringing anything back they decide to dump!

    7 was a rarity seeing Fat support brought back due to MS being forced to by the flash drive and external hard drive market where Fat and exFat are commonly seen. Likewise 7 will likely go down as the last desktop version with a desktop gui!

    The major MS folly with 8 was not seeing two main setup options to start with for those with and for those without touchscreen rather then jamming Metro in everyone's faces. That takes away from any adbancements made in security and hardware detection and set up as well as the next version also not being so dual boot friendly.

    Rather then booting into 7 when selected the system simply ends up seeing a full restart before 7 loaded. That was another item that heard complaints on as well as the one smart option MS added in would be the PC Refresh for seeing a full clean install put back on faster then manually wiping a problem install and then booting live from disk or flash drive.

    Improve the core but trash the desktop is the most evident complaint heard. Until 7 is replaced by another mindstorm success story you can be sure most will be keeping 7 on for some time to come!
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  4. #994


    Posts : 299
    win 7 home premium 64 bit


    Quote Originally Posted by mdmd View Post
    If the poll is 50/50 in this forum,
    even that is a success for Microsoft.
    .

    I doubt it is split here, if it is it's only because MS paid viral marketing shills are padding the numbers. My guestimate is that only 25% of forum users actually like Windows 8 as it is, it could possibly be less, and that if accurate is a serious death blow to MS.

    I personally despise it because MS is so arrogant that they REFUSE to allow the customer to chose their default UI from boot.

    No default boot to desktop, no sale.
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  5. #995


    Posts : 142
    Windows 8 Enterprise 64-bit (7 Ult, Vista & XP in V-Box)


    Well, I've only just got the 64-bit RP to run semi-useably as a standalone OS (upgrade over Win 7 Home Premium).

    The first thing that struck me was how bloody BLAND it looks, compared to the CP.

    Second thing was that it still won't talk to my openGL games.

    But I've had it up for a couple of hours now, and it hasn't fallen over or locked up yet.

    Unlike my first attempt to install it, now THAT was a disaster.

    NOTHING worked, and it'd lock up within minutes.

    But without a BSOD, so I had no idea what the problem was. I suspect graphics.
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  6. #996


    Posts : 1,320
    Server 2012 / 8.0
    Last edited by mdmd; 17 Aug 2012 at 23:07.
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  7. #997


    Adelaide
    Posts : 1,338
    Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 (64 bit), Linux Mint 17.1 MATE (64 bit)

    "Up" button


    Quote Originally Posted by Night Hawk View Post
    At least we hope they do?! Nothing is written in stone on any MS decision to bring the Start orb and programs menu back. Unfortunately it's "Reality Check" time as far as MS not usually bringing anything back they decide to dump!

    7 was a rarity seeing Fat support brought back due to MS being forced to by the flash drive and external hard drive market where Fat and exFat are commonly seen. Likewise 7 will likely go down as the last desktop version with a desktop gui!
    They did bring back the "Up" button in Windows Explorer.

    Quote Originally Posted by Night Hawk View Post
    The major MS folly with 8 was not seeing two main setup options to start with for those with and for those without touchscreen rather then jamming Metro in everyone's faces.
    Agreed.
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  8. #998


    mdmd Reflecting on your comments on the Start screen - Building Windows 8 - Site Home - MSDN Blogs This blog post is so full of crap it made me sick. They are totaly wrong. 100%. Why weren't they just saying "ok, we heard you, we'll bring the normal UI back". That would have been excellent response. Instead they try to justify this monumental mistake with ery stupid and untrue assumptions such as the Start Menu is inefficient or "our telemetry is showing that...". Well my personal telemetry is showing that W8's Start sreen has been massiely rejected already and more importantly by myself because I'm the user of my computer. And I'm very angry at their hypocrisy:"Believe us we are listening" or "this is normal reaction to change" and "this is not the best way to start a dialog". Well, we told them what we had to say. Now they will see what's a NORMAL reaction to something crappy.
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  9. #999


    Posts : 92
    Windows 10 (64 bit)


    So instead of offering users a choice Microsoft is saying we know what's best for you, and please disregard all the nice things we said about the usability of the previous versions of Windows, because we found out we were wrong. Unfortunately I feel they are wrong about the usability of Windows 8. It would have been so easy for them to offer consumers a choice and allow users to decide what's best for their needs, but big brother Microsoft knows what's best for us. The bottom line is they are so worried they have lost the market in smartphones and tablets they have made a decision to screw desktop users to have a uniform interface which was designed to touch devices.
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  10. #1000


    Posts : 239
    Win7 & 8 64bit / Linux Mint 14


    I don't see Win8 as being anything but a disappointment (in my case). Sure I downloaded it and played around but it really wasn't for me - it was that simple. Everything seemed to work okay as it does with my Win7 set up but that was about it. Didn't notice the speed improvements but then that depends upon individual hardware.

    So I see Win8 for what it is - primarily aimed at the phone/tablet market and not desktop/laptop users. MS should have offered a choice at install time but then that would have defeated their recently acquired Apple envy for paid for downloaded apps and MS cloud computing.

    It's no big deal. If you like Win8 then go for it. If not stay with Win7. Whether Win8 will be a success we will just have to wait and see but I doubt if there will be any reversal by MS this time round offering a classic UI with a SP1 although I hope I'm wrong on that one. Maybe Win9.......
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This will be Microsofts biggest ever flop, far bigger than Vista.
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