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  1. #111


    Posts : 454
    Windows 8.1 Pro with Media Center


    Quote Originally Posted by Spaisekraft View Post
    I agree that the app screen (second screenshot) isn't optimal, but then again it's not much worse for organization than the old all programs list in W7. The only difference between the two was that in W7 is was very compact and everything was in collapsed folders. I think Microsoft did away with that because there's no use. Everything you frequently use should be pinned to the start screen (like in my first screenshot) or as an icon on your desktop. For me, the start screen is an afterthought, it just sits out of sight and out of mind until I need to very quickly launch something. Take a look at the first screenshot again, and tell me how you think the old start menu was better for listing your frequently used apps or what you've pinned. I am honestly interested, because to me it works perfectly. I mean, with this set up I never have to open the app list because everything I use frequently is on the start screen.
    I don't think you're understanding how I've set my Windows 7 system up. I described it very carefully in my first message, in case you want to review it. I didn't say anything about the Start Menu because I rarely use it or the Desktop because I rarely see it. I have no idea what you mean by the "all programs list in Windows 7".

    The "Metro" screen is just a "colossal stupid mode" in which the Windows 7 taskbar is blown up to consume the entire display, and I have to switch out of what I'm doing in order to use it (hence the use of the word "mode", an evil word in UI design). Heck, Windows 8 reminds me of a DOS program in which there would be a main full-screen text menu from which you could launch programs or features, and you'd have to jump back to that main screen in order to do something else. And while you're running a program, there's no indication of the progress of other programs (which Windows 7 made possible with progress bars on pinned program icons) or easy way to switch between other open programs. I have several workflows involving multiple programs whose icons are pinned to my Windows 7 taskbar for which "Metro" just wouldn't work at all. I can find no reason why I would want to use "Metro" for anything.

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  2. #112


    Adelaide
    Posts : 1,338
    Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 (64 bit), Linux Mint 17.1 MATE (64 bit)

    My W7 Setup


    Quote Originally Posted by Spaisekraft View Post
    I was really only talking about the people that have 20 applications pinned to their start menu in W7. At that point you might as well just be opening the all programs list.

    Yeah, it's identical, but this screen: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/6800062/wind...artscreen1.png would be much messier on W7.
    Your Metro screen looks neat and tidy.

    My W7 setup.
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  3. #113


    Posts : 38
    Windows 8 CP 8250


    Quote Originally Posted by crawfish View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Spaisekraft View Post
    I agree that the app screen (second screenshot) isn't optimal, but then again it's not much worse for organization than the old all programs list in W7. The only difference between the two was that in W7 is was very compact and everything was in collapsed folders. I think Microsoft did away with that because there's no use. Everything you frequently use should be pinned to the start screen (like in my first screenshot) or as an icon on your desktop. For me, the start screen is an afterthought, it just sits out of sight and out of mind until I need to very quickly launch something. Take a look at the first screenshot again, and tell me how you think the old start menu was better for listing your frequently used apps or what you've pinned. I am honestly interested, because to me it works perfectly. I mean, with this set up I never have to open the app list because everything I use frequently is on the start screen.
    I don't think you're understanding how I've set my Windows 7 system up. I described it very carefully in my first message, in case you want to review it. I didn't say anything about the Start Menu because I rarely use it or the Desktop because I rarely see it. I have no idea what you mean by the "all programs list in Windows 7".

    The "Metro" screen is just a "colossal stupid mode" in which the Windows 7 taskbar is blown up to consume the entire display, and I have to switch out of what I'm doing in order to use it (hence the use of the word "mode", an evil word in UI design). Heck, Windows 8 reminds me of a DOS program in which there would be a main full-screen text menu from which you could launch programs or features, and you'd have to jump back to that main screen in order to do something else. And while you're running a program, there's no indication of the progress of other programs (which Windows 7 made possible with progress bars on pinned program icons) or easy way to switch between other open programs. I have several workflows involving multiple programs whose icons are pinned to my Windows 7 taskbar for which "Metro" just wouldn't work at all. I can find no reason why I would want to use "Metro" for anything.
    The way you described your desktop sounds like a massive mess, but to each their own. Maybe if you could screenshot it so I could understand better?
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  4. #114


    Posts : 454
    Windows 8.1 Pro with Media Center


    Quote Originally Posted by Spaisekraft View Post
    The way you described your desktop sounds like a massive mess, but to each their own. Maybe if you could screenshot it so I could understand better?
    Sorry, but no. I described my taskbar well enough, and you're again talking about my "desktop" which I just told you I rarely see. Whatever. You're talking about Windows 7 things I rarely use (Start menu, desktop, "all programs list") as if they're the primary way one is supposed to use Windows 7, so I can only conclude you don't understand how to use Windows 7 effectively. I've explained how I use Windows 7 effectively and gave some reasons why "Metro" appears to be so ineffective in comparison. I came here to try to discover why I'm failing to get this "Metro" thing, and after several messages, you've presented nothing to suggest there's anything to get about it. Maybe someone else can show me.
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  5. #115


    Posts : 38
    Windows 8 CP 8250


    Quote Originally Posted by crawfish View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Spaisekraft View Post
    The way you described your desktop sounds like a massive mess, but to each their own. Maybe if you could screenshot it so I could understand better?
    Sorry, but no. I described my taskbar well enough, and you're again talking about my "desktop" which I just told you I rarely see. Whatever. You're talking about Windows 7 things I rarely use (Start menu, desktop, "all programs list") as if they're the primary way one is supposed to use Windows 7, so I can only conclude you don't understand how to use Windows 7 effectively. I've explained how I use Windows 7 effectively and gave some reasons why "Metro" appears to be so ineffective in comparison. I came here to try to discover why I'm failing to get this "Metro" thing, and after several messages, you've presented nothing to suggest there's anything to get about it. Maybe someone else can show me.
    You described a massive and cluttered taskbar. Filling your taskbar with pinned apps isn't the primary way to use Windows. I can only conclude that you don't know how to use Windows 7 effectively.

    You know how ridiculous it is to assume that someone doesn't use Windows effectively because they don't use it like you do?

    Please, just go back to W7 if these changes are too much for you to handle. I bet your browser looks like this: http://www.productsthathateyou.com/w...bar-bloat1.jpg

    Anyways it's clear we're not going to agree on anything. You keep hating on W8, I'll keep using W8.
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  6. #116


    Posts : 299
    win 7 home premium 64 bit


    I have a solution for both groups.... those that like Metro and those that don't like it....a simple UI change at the click of a mouse button when first loading Win 8. MS if you are reading this you NEED to offer this option to keep EVERYBODY happy, and at the same time your organization can continue to move ahead as you see fit.
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  7. #117


    Germany/Florida
    Posts : 4,514
    Vista and Win7


    Quote Originally Posted by legacy7955 View Post
    I have a solution for both groups.... those that like Metro and those that don't like it....a simple UI change at the click of a mouse button when first loading Win 8. MS if you are reading this you NEED to offer this option to keep EVERYBODY happy, and at the same time your organization can continue to move ahead as you see fit.
    How about Win+D
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  8. #118


    Adelaide
    Posts : 1,338
    Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 (64 bit), Linux Mint 17.1 MATE (64 bit)

    App Sales


    Quote Originally Posted by legacy7955 View Post
    I have a solution for both groups.... those that like Metro and those that don't like it....a simple UI change at the click of a mouse button when first loading Win 8. MS if you are reading this you NEED to offer this option to keep EVERYBODY happy, and at the same time your organization can continue to move ahead as you see fit.
    That is the obvious solution and many people have suggested exactly that.
    Actually, a lot of people think it should be chosen during the installation/setup.

    MS steadfastly refuses to implement it, because of the profit they think they're going to make by selling apps.
    If you aren't "forced" to use Metro, why would you buy any apps from their store?

    I call it iPanic.
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  9. #119


    Posts : 38
    Windows 8 CP 8250


    Quote Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by legacy7955 View Post
    I have a solution for both groups.... those that like Metro and those that don't like it....a simple UI change at the click of a mouse button when first loading Win 8. MS if you are reading this you NEED to offer this option to keep EVERYBODY happy, and at the same time your organization can continue to move ahead as you see fit.
    That is the obvious solution and many people have suggested exactly that.
    Actually, a lot of people think it should be chosen during the installation/setup.

    MS steadfastly refuses to implement it, because of the profit they think they're going to make by selling apps.
    If you aren't "forced" to use Metro, why would you buy any apps from their store?

    I call it iPanic.
    I don't know why they'd think people will buy the apps either way. I like the metro UI, but I don't plan on buying apps. I hardly ever see the metro UI and when I do, it's enjoyable for the most part. Doesn't make me want to buy apps though lol

    I also think it'd be a good idea to allow people to use the default Windows 7 UI just like how Ubuntu lets you switch to Gnome at the log in screen.
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  10. #120


    Adelaide
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    Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 (64 bit), Linux Mint 17.1 MATE (64 bit)

    Angry Birds


    Quote Originally Posted by Spaisekraft View Post
    I don't know why they'd think people will buy the apps either way. I like the metro UI, but I don't plan on buying apps. I hardly ever see the metro UI and when I do, it's enjoyable for the most part. Doesn't make me want to buy apps though lol
    "Gotta play "Angry Birds", lol."

    Quote Originally Posted by Spaisekraft View Post
    I also think it'd be a good idea to allow people to use the default Windows 7 UI just like how Ubuntu lets you switch to Gnome at the log in screen.
    It is incomprehensible to me, that MS's professional developers can't make a "stand-alone GUI" for Windows, but a bunch of non-professional developers can do it for Linux distros.

    That is one of the best features of Linux distros.
    If you hate the GUI, you can customise/replace it.
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