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Windows 8 Automatic Repair Loop Issue

  1. #11


    Sloe Deth, Californicatia
    Posts : 3,908
    Windows 8 Pro with Media Center/Windows 7


    When your system is cold-halted like that, it damnages the HDD. You have to run a full drive scan on the HDD.

    This is where Windows 8 totally fails, because the auto repair cannot fix this kind of problem, only the full disk checking software form the HDD MFGR can do it, and you have to run it on the full drive.

    You can either google for the right tools, or use my link Hirens Boot CD below, it has ALL of the MFGR repair tools in the DOS section.

    Never let Windows try to start WITHOUT he Monitor ON.

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  2. #12


    Hi XweAponX,

    When you say to do a full drive scan, you mean using something like scandisk? It's a Seagate drive, so I will check their website and see what they recommend. I didn't try to start up Windows with the monitor off - the power was accidentally cut while the system was 'asleep', with the monitor off. I've been using PCs and macs with various OSs for many years, and I've never had such a catastrophic failure just due to a sudden power loss. I mean, power cuts and system crashes happen all the time - surely a robust OS should be able to handle it?

    I will definitely check out the Hiren's Boot CD link that you mention - thanks for the tip!
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  3. #13


    Hi,

    Ok, so I've marked the problem as 'solved', because I've figured out what was going on. Basically, almost ALL the files on my HDD (including the Windows system files) had been crammed into a found.000 folder on the top level, so it's no wonder the OS couldn't boot up! What seems to have happened is that the HDD was damaged during the sudden power down and it must have unfortunately hit just the right part of the disk to wreck the filesystem. Then, scandisk found all the 'orphaned' files and put them into found.000.

    It took me a while to figure out where all the files had gone, but it's all ok now and I've recovered 95% of my data, which is a relief! I've also re-installed Windows from the disk that Dell gave me - it was pretty straightforward.

    Thanks very much to everyone who posted with advice - I really appreciate your help. Also, that HIRENs boot disk is an amazing tool - I highly recommend it for PC maintenance. I'll definitely learn my lesson and create backups and restore points from now on. :-)
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  4. #14


    Posts : 5
    Windows 8


    Hey Time4Tea I am experiencing the exact problem as you and I'm freaking out since all my term papers and college materials are trapped in there. I upgraded from Vista to Windows 8 but I don't have the disk for refreshing or anything and any other alternatives haven't worked so far. Could you please help me and walk me through what you did to recover your data and computer? :C I'm desperate for help
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  5. #15


    Sloe Deth, Californicatia
    Posts : 3,908
    Windows 8 Pro with Media Center/Windows 7


    I always mention in passing that Hiren's has the HDD Programs for all manufacturers, so you don't have to do 300 different downloads looking for the right tool. But what I want you guys to do, is first search for the exact Tool from the manufacturer's Website. If you can't find it, then use Hiren's as a last resort. I cannot encourage using Hiren's, except to say it's what I use if my other self-made Boot CD does not have the right tool on it. So in that regard, it is there if you need it.

    Always know, always find out WHAT kind of Hard Drive you got - If you have a SSD, do NOT use any of the tools I mention, you will wreck your drive, this is HDD ONLY.

    Your System BIOS will say what brand and type of HDD you have. If it does nto say, then download the free AIDA64 program, google AIDA64 - It will ID your HDDs.

    By Full Drive Scan, I mean BEAAYOND what Scandisk will do, beyond what CHKDSK will and can do.

    Seagate has "Seatools", Western Digital has "WDDIAG" - And Compaq's GWscan can check both Seagate and WD drives, WDDIAG also uses the same engine as GWscan.

    You have to put those programs onto a Bootable CD or Flash Drive, and you must be able to start the program using a Dos Prompt, so you cannot use any kind of Linux OS, it has to be DOS. Just search the web on "How to make a bootable CD/Flash Drive"

    These Programs will start by running a SMART check, if it fails, then you will not be able to repair the drive. If it passes, then it brings you to a "Short Test" - Run that, it takes up to 6 minutes.

    in GWscan and WDDIAG, after the Short Test, if it finds errors, it will set you up for the FULL HD test. Seatools will do the same thing.

    Hitachi and Samsung and Toshiba all have their own tools, you can either download them, or use the ones on Hiren's as a last resort.

    The Full Test will scan the entire drive surface and it will correct all errors in the filesystem it finds, blocking off bad sectors if it finds any.

    If there are too many errors, it will fail the full test, that's when you use another tool called "ViVard" - It is also on Hiren's but you can download Vivard from their own site.

    GWscan Seatools and WDDIAG will take about an hour and a half tops to do a full scan. Vivard, however, will run a "Smart Scan with Remap" and that can take up to 4 hours, if it takes longer, then it's most likely showing "NRDY" errors, NRDY means "Not Ready", in other words, it is not seeing the drive, in which case the scan cannot continue. Sometimes, you will see occasional "NRDY" errors, but if the san continues just let it finish, what that means is you have maybe 1 or 2 days in which to buy a new HDD and then use any Partition Manager program to dupe the failing drive to a new drive. I have used ViVard to extend the life just enough to allow me to do this. But after ViVard runs, do not assume the drive is Fixed.

    If Vivard shows NO "NRDY" errors, and completes the full remap, it will show you blocks of blocked off sectors, you can continue to use the drive.

    I've repaired several Samsung and Toshiba drives that were "FAIL" (In Big ASCII Letters). Basically, most Repair Places will try to sell you a new drive, and they wont even try to repair the drive. But I've repaired maybe 50 "failed" hard drives, drives that Geek Squad were too stupid to fix.

    Basically, you have to know when to accept that the hard drive is toast. ViVard is always my last resort- NEVER use it as your first resort, because it is very dangerous to use, by the time you try ViVard, your drive has a 50-50 chance of being fixed. I try to be optimistic though.
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  6. #16


    Sloe Deth, Californicatia
    Posts : 3,908
    Windows 8 Pro with Media Center/Windows 7


    Quote Originally Posted by Time4Tea View Post
    Hi,

    Ok, so I've marked the problem as 'solved', because I've figured out what was going on. Basically, almost ALL the files on my HDD (including the Windows system files) had been crammed into a found.000 folder on the top level, so it's no wonder the OS couldn't boot up! What seems to have happened is that the HDD was damaged during the sudden power down and it must have unfortunately hit just the right part of the disk to wreck the filesystem. Then, scandisk found all the 'orphaned' files and put them into found.000.

    It took me a while to figure out where all the files had gone, but it's all ok now and I've recovered 95% of my data, which is a relief! I've also re-installed Windows from the disk that Dell gave me - it was pretty straightforward.

    Thanks very much to everyone who posted with advice - I really appreciate your help. Also, that HIRENs boot disk is an amazing tool - I highly recommend it for PC maintenance. I'll definitely learn my lesson and create backups and restore points from now on. :-)
    Just remember to try downloading the tools you need from the MFGR's site, Hiren's is there for last ditch efforts. I try not to suggest it as the ONLY way to fix things, and I have been veering away fro suggesting it at all, at least until Windows XP is no longer supported by Microsoft, when XP is dripped from support, it will also be dropped from Microsoft's Interest, and they won't care if you use the "Mini XP" which is the only thorn in Hiren's side.

    But until this happens, try to find the tools using Google, and search for any good tutorials on how to make a Bootable CD or Flash Drive, because these tools use a DOS/Comand.com environment to run. They also need some kind of CD support, but this is usually included in several Boot CD/Flash making tools.

    I'm glad you got your stuff recovered, just remember, you ended up with that Found.000 folder cos you use CHKDSK - The HDD repair tools go way beyond CHKDSK, and when it fixes something, it saves it in the same place, and does not move it to "found.000" -Always run CHKDSK after you run the HDD repair tool and a full drive scan.
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  7. #17


    Posts : 5
    Windows 8


    Thank you for the reply. I spent my time creating a bootable USB with Hiren's bootcd on it and I plugged it into my computer. After turning it on, I pressed ESC to enter my BIOS to boot it from the USB. I got my hopes up very high and was completely shutdown as when I press to boot it from my flashdrive, the screen automatically goes back to "automatic repair loop". My cmd prompt would not even let me enter safe mode. Is all hope lost? I was hoping to at least get to scan my hard drive.
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  8. #18


    Posts : 5
    Windows 8


    Making changes to that*** hope restored. Surprisingly my flashdrive has 2 drives within it and I booted it up from the wrong one. Hoping to be able to scan now. Will post result in a bit.
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  9. #19


    Hi sktanz,

    I'm sorry to hear that you're having a similar problem to the one I had. I think you'll do well if you follow the great advice from XweAponX above. I'd say as a first step you want to either get into the DOS command prompt or create a live CD/USB, just so you can access the drive and see what's there and what state it's in. Can you access the command prompt through the blue Windows 8 diagnostic screens?
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  10. #20


    Posts : 1
    Windows 8


    Is there ANY way to extract files while in the PREAPARING TO REPAIR loop?

    I have been dealing with this crap for the last five days, I have tried EVERYTHING!!!!

    CMD PROMPTS, tried getting into SAFE MODE, scanning the HD, everything under the sun (internet) has not worked and keeps me in the repair loop.

    Thinking about doing a FULL RESET next, but need to know if Geek Squad or anyone more tech savvy can extract some files before the full reset?


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