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Win 8.1 running fine - but trying to prepare for recovery

  1. #11


    Quote Originally Posted by theog View Post
    - the recovery drive would only work if restored back to the original OEM drive
    - changing out the original OEM drive means one needs to start fresh, with a retail install.

    Accurate statement?..or am I still not quite understanding.
    YES & NO.

    Using the Windows Recovery USB Drive, will only Reset on the original OEM drive with all original partitions inplace.



    Using the OEM manufacturer's Recovery USB Drive, will Reset to a unformatted drive.

    But alphanumeric , like me has an ASUS if recall, so the latter does not exist, and the former only works on the original OEM drive...which is useless if it fails. Only solution is to buy retail.

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  2. #12


    Quote Originally Posted by theog View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Mediaman09 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by whs View Post
    Do #4 with this option. That is the easiest and most reliable. And download the recovery .iso from my Skydrive. Makes it easy.
    Many many thanks. Tried Macrium briefly before...time to revisit it.

    Re the ISO file, is that a Win 7 or Win 8 ISO??
    I would use the Windows 8/8.1 version, Which is signed by Microsoft.
    Macrium Reflect Free - Free download and software reviews - CNET Download.com

    Right , the retail version,; yes that would work. but that is at the heart of the issue. As noted earlier, in that I would need need to buy a retail version of Windows, over and above already paying for Windows as part of my original OEM purchase, if I truly want a recovery ISO I can use to recover 8.1 to any drive.
    Last edited by Mediaman09; 19 Jan 2014 at 06:55.
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  3. #13


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mediaman09 View Post

    If I am understanding you correctly,:
    - you successfully used the "Copy the recovery partition from the PC to the recovery drive" option, using a 16GB USB, and it created a bootable USB drive.
    - when you boot from that drive, it will rebuild your system, essentially to factory settings to 8.0 (and yes it will read the key from the BIOS.

    (When I tried that, ie prompted me on screen for 32GB -perhaps because I am already on 8.1). I will buy a 32GB and see what happens -)

    So in theory, what happens next??? If you are back to 8.0 factory, can you use 8.1 image backups( eg from (3) or (4) to restore yourself to where you were before a failure?

    Big mistake to buy Windows 8 PC's with the OS pre installed by the manufacturer. There is no way to recover if you ever upgraded and no way to upgrade to Pro ( as it prompts for a key) and even if you find the embedded key it wont accept it. Will never do that again. As long as MS has activation keys, I will buy it retail - I want to hold media in my hands and see the key with my eyes. Everything elese is voodoo magic, may or may not work, and is an utter and complete waste of time.
    Yes, the drive I made is supposed to let you boot from it and do a Reset or Refresh. The Reset would put it back to the factory Windows 8.0 install. Copying the factory recovery partition is what lets you do that and the image in there is the original Windows 8 install with all the factory bloatware. The size of the drive required depends on how big your factory Recovery partition is. Yours could be just over 16 GB thus you need the next available size up, 32 GB. I do believe my drive was almost full when it was done. For you to skip 8.0 and install 8.1 you'll need 8.1 install media and your embedded key. My factory OEM install is long gone from my laptop. These days when an OS reload is needed I just do a clean install. I have TechNet so I just enter an 8.1 key and skip the workarounds. I could do it the other way and use my OEM key but why bother. I would just end up upgrading to Pro and the adding Media Center anyway. If that last link I posted for the download would except OEM keys you would be good to go. I don't know why Microsoft blocked it. They must have their reasons, I just don't know what they are. Wish I could be of more help.
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  4. #14


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mediaman09 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by alphanumeric View Post
    ?..I swapped the factory drive with a smaller SSD. I could not get the recovery drive to reset back to the SSD. ..
    That's a fairly important point ....and a typically scenario... Ie, the drive fails, replace the drive, attempt to recover. If it doesn't work, (as if by design), what's the point of the recovery drive? Seems that :

    - the recovery drive would only work if restored back to the original OEM drive
    - changing out the original OEM drive means one needs to start fresh, with a retail install.

    Accurate statement?..or am I still not quite understanding.
    You can use the recovery drive when the PC won't boot to windows or the factory Fn key doesn't work. The drive is corrupted but not physically broken. It may even work for a replacement drive if its the same size, I've never tried it. My original drive was 750 GB, my SSD was only 128 GB. I got errors like "missing partition etc" Its been a while since I did it. I tried a lot of things like a blank drive and a prepartitioned drive but just gave up and did a clean install. B
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  5. #15


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mediaman09 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by theog View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Mediaman09 View Post

    Many many thanks. Tried Macrium briefly before...time to revisit it.

    Re the ISO file, is that a Win 7 or Win 8 ISO??
    I would use the Windows 8/8.1 version, Which is signed by Microsoft.
    Macrium Reflect Free - Free download and software reviews - CNET Download.com

    Right , the retail version,; yes that would work. but that is at the heart of the issue. As noted earlier, in that I would need need to buy a retail version of Windows, over and above already paying for Windows as part of my original OEM purchase, if I truly want a recovery ISO I can use to recover 8.1 to any drive.
    If you buy from Microsoft, yes you'll have to buy a second key along with the install media, they won't sell you just the disk. If you have another PC you could use the new code on that and your embedded key on your laptop to install 8.1 on both PC's legally. They would each be using their own key.
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  6. #16


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mediaman09 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by theog View Post
    - the recovery drive would only work if restored back to the original OEM drive
    - changing out the original OEM drive means one needs to start fresh, with a retail install.

    Accurate statement?..or am I still not quite understanding.
    YES & NO.

    Using the Windows Recovery USB Drive, will only Reset on the original OEM drive with all original partitions inplace.



    Using the OEM manufacturer's Recovery USB Drive, will Reset to a unformatted drive.

    But alphanumeric , like me has an ASUS if recall, so the latter does not exist, and the former only works on the original OEM drive...which is useless if it fails. Only solution is to buy retail.
    You can order the Microsoft official OEM Recovery disks from the ASUS OEM manufacturer's website.
    Essentio Recovery Software
    Notebook Recovery Software

    https://serviceshop.asus.com/
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  7. #17


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mediaman09 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by theog View Post
    - the recovery drive would only work if restored back to the original OEM drive
    - changing out the original OEM drive means one needs to start fresh, with a retail install.

    Accurate statement?..or am I still not quite understanding.
    YES & NO.

    Using the Windows Recovery USB Drive, will only Reset on the original OEM drive with all original partitions inplace.



    Using the OEM manufacturer's Recovery USB Drive, will Reset to a unformatted drive.

    But alphanumeric , like me has an ASUS if recall, so the latter does not exist, and the former only works on the original OEM drive...which is useless if it fails. Only solution is to buy retail.
    I think what Theog said is true. I got a some "a required partition is missing" error messages when trying to restore to the SSD. Recovery Media from the OEM can likely recreate the partition structure and do more than the Windows created Recovery drive. I haven't confirmed it one way or the other though.
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    For example SONY DVD/USB disk.

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  9. #19


    Back in the day, when life was simple, OEM's like Dell included the install media. More recently (even up to 5 years ago if I recall) they did not. I complained, persistently, with logical arguments until they provided it. For the last one, I had to initiate the 30 day return process. When they asked why, they provide me the media. What really boiled my blood what that this was not a one-of USB stick they gave me, or a techhie-burned DVD...it was a Dell branded DVD for Windows install disk in a sealed envelop with part number etc. And there was no charge. Why the heck not just include that in the box that I am paying over $1000 for?? Why make me beg for it? Was it to save the 50 cents? I will never understand that.

    With the ASUS, I am making the same case ; we'll see how far I get.

    Yes they can be ordered for the ASUS site... but they want $50 !!. I would rather spend double, and get the true retail version and just avoid all this nonsense and insanity with OEM recovery partitions, begging them for media etc.

    I will be ok for while, making my Macrium (and windows) image backups, and OEM recovery drives etc etc. But as soon as I get to the point where something fails, and I cannot boot or restore, I will buy the retail version of the day. and do a fresh install.
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  10. #20


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    Ask how many people can find their original installation disc from 4 years ago. The recovery partition is always with you on the system and it really not a big deal to burn the DVD. Problem is that most people don't do that.

    I never needed either the disc or the recovery partition. I make plenty of images and going back to those is a lot easier than a reinstall. And I always keep the early images - the ones from after the initial installation and updates. Going back to that is quasi like a reinstall and a lot less work. Takes 20 minutes to recover with an image.
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