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What we are REALLY getting with Windows 8

  1. #31


    Quote Originally Posted by Sonshi View Post
    how did this thread turn into a mobile OS debate?
    So let's go on topic again

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  2. #32


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    Atleast my thread is thought provoking.
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  3. #33


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonshi View Post
    how did this thread turn into a mobile OS debate?
    It turned into a mobile OS debate because what you are getting with Win8 is just that, a mobile OS. Like all mobile OSes, it has a simplistic UI, runs all applications full screen, does not minimize or close them (it manages tasks on its own). The only difference of Win8 versus Android or iOS is that it it capable of running the old desktop as a task.

    Now, you can achieve much the same thing under a variety of OSes. One can certainly run Windows as a task under OSX and there are excellent packages that allow you to do this. One can do the same thing with Linux. Thus, if you want to run the desktop applications and still have a full-power OS, a combination of a Linux disto and Win7 would probably do the job excellently.

    However, if you need to have a mobile OS on your desktop, then Win8 is a good choice. My guess is that a number of OSes will soon be configured to do just this. So, it would not be unexpected if Google releases a version of Android 4.0 that runs the Windows desktop as a task. In that case, you would have a bit more of a choice and many, many more apps.

    Win8 is a mobile OS and this is all it is.
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  4. #34


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    warning   Warning
    Let's keep the discussion on topic about Windows 8 shall we and not the other OSes.

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    I would like that as well. And if we can get it back to my original content, and we can see what else is new with the upcoming release of the Windows 8 beta in February.
    Quote Originally Posted by Brink View Post
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    Let's keep the discussion on topic about Windows 8 shall we and not the other OSes.

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  6. #36


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    Quote Originally Posted by ADRz View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    I've used it all, android 2, 3, and 4 and iOS 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5.
    You have used Android 4? In what device? (there is only one in the US and it has been available only for a few days!!)

    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    I've used the Windows Phone 7 quite a bit. Have you even used it? You CAN add more storage with most phones, social network integration is quite deep. If by sideloading, you mean from computer to phone? I've never heard of such a term with phones, since I don't really understand using phones as PCs. The Windows Phone is still new, if modern hardware means a dual core processor, then no. Even then, a dual core isn't necessary as of now. It's still adding more hardware compatibilty as time goes on. For instance, in a couple months or so, LTE support will arrive, built in video calling with be there, more front facing cameras will come in, most likely better cameras in general. It took three versions of android to have LTE compatibility, almost a year when android 3.0 was release. It took the Windows Phone a year and half with one major update and one upcoming one.

    No, I deem the android software as a jailbroken iOS. It's free, it has access to a ridiculous amounts of apps that are free, and you can customize it as one would wish. That's basically the definition of a jailbroken iphone.
    Yes, I have used WP7. Read your description of it....most is still to come. You are aware that when you say "LTE will come", this does not mean that existing phones will become LTE capable, aren't you? It will mean that a couple of new phones would be released, this is all. Existing users would still have to deal with 3G. To this very day, Skype (an MS company) does not work in WP7 phones (most of which do not have front facing cameras anyway).

    Yes, there would be a time in which WP7 would offer most of what is being offered by modern phones right now. The problem is that these other phones would have progressed beyond this point. As for your definition of "jailbroken", I would not go there!!!

    Furthermore, knowing quite well that MS is going to junk the WP7 code, you would be "crazy" to go and buy a WP7 phone right now, as this technology will be shortly orphaned.
    android 4 or some vanilla kernel is out on the samsung nexus.

    Existing phones will not be LTE capable as due to hardware. The HTC Radar 4G is LTE ready. The Nokia Lumia 900 when it arrives will be LTE ready. The HTC Titan II will be LTE ready. The point is is that the WP7 has matured further since it's a wholy different OS from iOS or knockoffs. Skype doesn't work with WP since Microsoft recently aquired them. The next major update will have that, even then, there's an app that does that already for WP7.

    You'd be crazy to think they'd scrap it. 2012 is the year of metro. 2012 is the year of Windows 8. 2012 is the year of the Windows Phone.

    Anyways, yes, I'd like to discuss Windows 8...
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  7. #37


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    I'm really hoping to see a better PC Settings panel on a Desktop. To me, having a metro panel and a desktop panel causes a complete abrupt interface change that isn't fluid system wide. I'd want to see PC Settings windowed, metro designed, but more comprehensive like a desktop control panel. The metro PC Settings app should have the same thing done for tablets as well.

    Also, there's this feature that comes with the Microsoft Touch Mouse that is the bomb. Instant Viewer. That would make power users pee their pants! What it does is takes ALL your active windows and puts them on a blackwashed desktop and it shows just the content of those windows. You can instantly view everything. I'd love to see a touch gesture for that on tablets and maybe a keyboard shortcut for desktops. Maybe Win + tab or alt.
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  8. #38


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    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post

    android 4 or some vanilla kernel is out on the samsung nexus.

    Existing phones will not be LTE capable as due to hardware. The HTC Radar 4G is LTE ready. The Nokia Lumia 900 when it arrives will be LTE ready. The HTC Titan II will be LTE ready. The point is is that the WP7 has matured further since it's a wholy different OS from iOS or knockoffs. Skype doesn't work with WP since Microsoft recently aquired them. The next major update will have that, even then, there's an app that does that already for WP7.

    You'd be crazy to think they'd scrap it. 2012 is the year of metro. 2012 is the year of Windows 8. 2012 is the year of the Windows Phone.

    Anyways, yes, I'd like to discuss Windows 8...

    First of all, you need to be very careful with WP7. If the rumors are true, MS may orphan this OS. As you know, the current crop of Win8 "Metro" apps are not compatible with WP7 (and vice versa). If MS moves the phone OS to the Win8 code base, then WP7 will be an orphan. This is quite likely to happen.

    I have the feeling that this would definitely happen. MS cannot and would not maintain two shops with incompatible applications. Thus, I am afraid that WP7 will not be with us for too long!!!
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  9. #39


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    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    I'm really hoping to see a better PC Settings panel on a Desktop. To me, having a metro panel and a desktop panel causes a complete abrupt interface change that isn't fluid system wide. I'd want to see PC Settings windowed, metro designed, but more comprehensive like a desktop control panel. The metro PC Settings app should have the same thing done for tablets as well.

    Also, there's this feature that comes with the Microsoft Touch Mouse that is the bomb. Instant Viewer. That would make power users pee their pants! What it does is takes ALL your active windows and puts them on a blackwashed desktop and it shows just the content of those windows. You can instantly view everything. I'd love to see a touch gesture for that on tablets and maybe a keyboard shortcut for desktops. Maybe Win + tab or alt.
    Your wishes (expressed by great number of Windows fans) are unlikely to happen. Win8 is a mobile OS that runs the desktop as just another task (until the desktop disappears, I guess). It runs all applications in full screen and manages them in the background without user input. This behavior is typical of all mobile OSs. Now, if it is given the capabilities you want on the desktop, then this would mean a different Win8 for desktops and a different Win8 for tablets and phones. Essentially, the same dichotomy that exists between OSX and iOS or Android and Linux. For some reason, MS wants to have the same code base from phones to large desktops which means that large desktops will operate like huge, oversized phones.
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  10. #40


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    Here's a cute little trick. Try it out.
    With no Start menu in Windows 8, how do you find all the applications you have installed? The Metro apps will display their tiles, but what about the non-Metro programs? Here's how to see a list of them:
    1. Hold down the Windows logo key and press F.
    2. Click Apps.
    3. In the displayed list of apps and applications (in alphabetical order), you can either launch a program by clicking it, or you can pin it to the Metro screen so you'll get to it more easily the next time.
    4. OK, now we have this screen open scroll thru ALL those programs running, and find "System Information" click on it go to "Services" now look for the "Microsoft Store", you will notice it is turned off (g), go ahead and right click, and turn it on. Go on, and "Windows" shop, lots of cool things to see. (To bad we can't purchase anything yet.)
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